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[man] And we're rolling.

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Alright, here we go.

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Strange beautiful grass of green

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with your majestic silver seas

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Your mysterious mountains

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I wish to see closer.

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May I land my kinky machine?

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Although your world wonders
me...

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[Jimi Hendrix]
with your
majestic and superior

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cackling hen.

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Your people, I do
not understand

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So to you, I shall
put an end...

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and you'll...

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never hear surf music again.

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Those are the words of
Jimi Hendrix

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that have have been cited

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thousands of times, as if Jimi
was saying

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surf music had died in the 60s

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And it couldn't be further from
the truth.

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Hendrix was wrong.

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[The Madeira plays
“Sandstorm ” ]

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[waves crashing ]

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[The Eliminators plays
“The Lonely Sea ”]

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Just like Motown for Detroit and
Reggae for Jamaica

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It was a local regional music
that came out

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of the lives of young kids in
Southern California.

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The growth of surf music was

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really quite phenomenal.

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It started in 1961 in Southern
California

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with only a handful of bands

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and a handful of recordings

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And within a year or two, there
were

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hundreds of recordings by
hundreds of bands

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across the country.

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In the beginning, it was just
about the

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music and the surfers enjoying
the music

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and embracing it and claiming it
as their own.

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[Howard Kaylan] Surf music is a
bunch of kids on a beach around

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a bonfire and just having the
best time

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without any social obligations
or school pressures.

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And there was no future and no
war and no

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economy and nothing to worry
about.

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[Bill Medley] I was attracted to
the simplicity and the energy
of it.

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that's what rock and roll is and
was...

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was simplicity and energy.

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I dropped the flute like a hot
potato

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because I loved the guitar.

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[Bob Berryman] Because there
were no sound systems

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we knew that we couldn't hear
the voice anyway.

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And we were more interested in
the melodic

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and in the power!

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Surf music truly is rock
instrumental

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with a reverb tank.

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There's something about the
sound of instrumental

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surf music that flips a switch
with people.

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There's something magic that
happens.

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Something magic that happens
with the audience.

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They regress, they start feeling
younger.

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They want to get up out of their
seats and dance.

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[Will Glover] We had those amps.

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It was that kind of music where
they didn't care.

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It was the fun of the music,
because it was loud!

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There's no pretension.

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There's no hidden meanings.

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There's no message.

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It's just pure unadulterated
fun.

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[sound of static]

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[sound of film projector]

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In the early sixties my family
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in Montclair, Southern
California.

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A little dry dusty town in the
Inland Empire

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on the edge of the Mojave
Desert.

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Montclair was removed from
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of surf music by 40 or 50 miles.

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But, I got a transistor radio in
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and that opened up the world to
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[radio tunes]

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K-Earth 101, the king of the
surf guitar

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Dick Dale and the Del-Tones.

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[The Del-Tones play
“Surf Beat ”]

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And one day, in 1961...

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I'm listening to K-MEN in
San Bernardino

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And they were the first radio
station to actually play...

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Dick Dale's first record.

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Once I heard my first Dick Dale
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I was hooked on that kind of
music

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And I started collecting surf
records left and right.

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And at the same time, I was
learning how to play guitar.

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Bands like Dick Dale and the
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The Challengers

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they were like my teachers.

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And a few years later, I
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that I had several thousand
records.

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And I discovered that there had
been surf bands

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from every state in the Union

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and from almost every overseas
country.

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It was just an amazingly diverse
form of music

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that had spread like wildfire.

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And so I wondered where did this
music come from

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to begin with?
What happened to it?

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Did it really go away?

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If it did, why?

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[The Tom Morey Band play
“Cannon Blues ”]

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The outside world didn't really
view

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surfers, all that much at first
because

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there was just so few of them
and it was

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more or less seen as a...

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He-man athletic pursuit

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that was very rare.

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or drawing of surfers would
appear on

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the travel magazines.

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Surfing as a culture, kind of
flew in the face

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of mainstream culture.

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It was non-productive, kind of
hedonistic...

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pleasure seeking, responsibility
avoiding kind of thing.

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And no, self-respecting, parent
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endorse their children pursuing
that

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in exchange for school and
career...

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because our parents were all
children of the depression.

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For them it was security.

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As a surfer

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you were getting the idea

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that maybe that was a false god.

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Maybe there were other things
that were important.

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There was a real high
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having a job, everybody
wanted to have a job

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and be productive and be
contributing to society

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and all of that kind of thing.

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If you said you were a surfer,
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you were a drop-out of that.

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And you were sort of.

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By the time, surf music exploded

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in Southern California

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in the early 60s, surfing
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been firmly established here

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at least since the late 50s.

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As surfers, we'd drive to the
beach and get jacked up

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to the music on the car radio.

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Interestingly, the music that
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surfing to at that time was
probably jazz.

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[Jazz plays on radio]

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We'd get some beer and go to
some guys house.

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Trying to get some girls to come
over

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and put on Jazz records.

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Like
Herbie Mann at the Village
Gate.

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Miles Davis, Henry Mancini,

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the theme to
Peter Gunn,
theme
to
Black Saddle.

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In Newport was a place called

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The Rendezvous Ballroom and my
parents found

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out about the Rendezvous and
started taking

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me there when I was maybe
fourteen.

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And during a wonderful several
year period

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I heard every major big band
that would come through.

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Gene Krupa's band, and Les
Brown, Woody Herman

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Stan Kenton, Tommy Dorsey,
Jimmy Dorsey.

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To be there on the Bandstand and

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watching the band and the
vocalists

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and the drummers and all that
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God, it was marvelous.

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And then we start going down to
the

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Lighthouse in Hermosa Beach and
there's a

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bunch of guys from
The Stan
Kenton Orchestra

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that are playing, there's Shelly
Manne

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is the drummer

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Howard Rumsey on bass

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Conte Candoli -trumpet

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Shorty Rogers -trumpet, Bob
Cooper -sax

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Bud Shank -sax.

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And one of the more innovative
filmmakers was Bruce Brown

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And Bruce Brown, would go down
to the Lighthouse

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'cause that's where the jazz
was played.

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[Jazz music plays]

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The reason that jazz was adapted
to surfing

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by surfers, was that it had kind
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lyrical flowing surf like
environment it created

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and surfing the wave was a sort
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and jazz was improvisational.

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It was about virtuosity and Jazz
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individual instrumental
virtuosity.

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So, there were really lots of

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kind of symbiotic, aspects of
the two forms of expression.

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[Jazz music plays]

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These artists like Henry Mancini

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Les Baxter and Martin Denny were
looking for

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an atmosphere and that
atmosphere really

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gelled with beach culture, and
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surf culture.

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It really wasn't as much of an
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California culture, it was like
a transplanted

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Hawaiian thing.

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They kind of wanted to be like
Hawaiians.

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In that kind of later 50s time
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the fact that the board went
from 100 lb

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piece of dense wood to a light
30 or 40 lb

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fiberglassed balsa wood board

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surfboards became even more

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accessible when foam came out in
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so, they could make as many
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needed to fill the demand.

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The sport had gone from maybe
500, 1500 surfers

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to five, six, seven or 8000
surfers

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And that's where it was

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when the movie
Gidget
came out.

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[Instrumental music plays]

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One day, I came to Malibu and
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shack there and I think Harry
Stonelake

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and “Tubesteak ” built it.

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Different guys would hang out
there 'cause there

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was some shade. Terry Tracy, who
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there was married and lived
elsewhere, like

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Englewood or something.

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He was at the shack a lot and he
would just

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just hang there, you know, and
hang

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out with guys and get them to
buy him some

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beer and stuff like that, and he
named Gidget.

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There was a girl midget that
arrived on the scene

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and sets up headquarters.

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She goes home and tells her
daddy all this stuff.

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Her daddy writes a book.

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I remember the day that my
father picked me

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up at Malibu and drove me home.

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It was in the Dynaflow Buick as
my board

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was sticking out of the back.

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I turned to him and I said: “I'd
like to write a story

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about what's going on
at Malibu. ”

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And my father said: “Why don't
you tell me

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everything? And I'll write the
story for you.

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I'm the writer. ”

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So I started telling him...

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that I was called Gidget at
Malibu

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which meant girl midget.

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I told him about Terry
“Tubesteak ” Tracy that

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lived in a shack with Harry
Stonelake.

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And I told him how incredibly
interesting

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the lifestyle that I thought
Malibu was.

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It was all about what was
outside and I

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thought the whole sorta
lifestyle was

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fascinating that there were
surfboards... young men

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There was somebody living in a
shack and we

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were waiting for the wave.

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[Music plays]

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That book really was... I don't
know

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they're going: “bitchin”,
“rocket bombs ” and

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“Go, Gidget, go! ” “Shoot the
Curl! ”

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God! Can you believe that? I
can't.

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Columbia Studios bought the
rights to the novel

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and in 1959, the Hollywood
version hits theaters
nationwide.

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[Music plays]

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The movie comes out, everybody
loved the movie

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except, for guess whom? Surfers.

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The movie
Gidget
was kind of
interesting.

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These days, it would be pooh-
poohed.

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The surfers would sneeze at it.

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But, when it came out, it was
the first acknowledgement

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by the mainstream world of
surfing.

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The theme song to the movie was
sung by James Darren.

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It became a top 100 hit record

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in the spring of 1959.

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When the
Gidget
film comes out,
a teenage

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culture, emerges in a completely
different environment.

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You're not seeing skyscrapers,
you're not seeing

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buildings, you're not seeing
metal microphones,

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you're seeing a shack in the
sand next to

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water and luminous waves that
people are

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zooming in and out of with these
little boards.

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This is just unprecedented and
no one's

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seen anything like this.

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It may me cool

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and it glorified the surf
culture, even

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though it did it sort of in a
dorky way.

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Every time Hollywood touches
surfing

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they goof it up.

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Even when surfers try to do
surfing...

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they don't get it right.

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So when Hollywood does it, what
are they

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going to get?

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So, surfers were listening to
jazz, and

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rhythm and blues.

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But where was the surf music?

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[Film projector turns on]

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There was no such
thing as surf
music at the time.

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I never heard that expression.

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Surf music?

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[Bongo plays]

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But, maybe somebody had a bongo
drum.

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When you're in the water

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and Malibu is six to eight feet.

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You're out there and here comes
a set.

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I guarantee you, you're not
going to sit there

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saying: “Oh, bro this is
music to surf by. ”

293
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You don't do that.

294
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You just take off on waves.

295
00:13:48,566 --> 00:13:51,134
Surfing films of the 1950s, were
not seen

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by all that many people.

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Bud Browne had been making
surfing movies

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from about 1942, or ‘43

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and showing them just at

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lifeguard stations.

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00:14:01,928 --> 00:14:03,016
Greg Noll was making little

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tiny films called
Search for
Surf
.

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00:14:05,888 --> 00:14:07,455
Just before
Gidget
came out

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Bruce Brown was doing his first
movie

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Slippery When Wet
.

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Gidget
gives the ability

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for these people to make
full-length

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features and draw larger
audiences.

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00:14:19,032 --> 00:14:21,295
Once
Gidget
becomes popular,
teenagers that

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are into rock and roll, start
gravitating

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00:14:23,253 --> 00:14:24,211
towards surfing.

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In the surf movies, they
wouldn't have

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music synced on the footage
itself.

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It was just they turn on the
projector.

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He was just putting an album
on and he put

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on the soundtrack to
Peter Gunn
.

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00:14:36,919 --> 00:14:39,356
[Henry Mancini plays
“Peter Gunn ”]

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The Mancini Peter Gunn thing

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was used for big waves
at Sunset Beach.

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We'd be looking at the screen
and you'd see

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00:14:49,801 --> 00:14:51,673
this wave and you couldn't
really tell what

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00:14:51,803 --> 00:14:53,283
was going on with it and
all of a sudden you

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00:14:53,414 --> 00:14:55,459
see a couple of ants sweep up
the face and

324
00:14:55,590 --> 00:14:58,810
the driving “boom-boom-boom-
boom ” and my God...

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those waves were twenty-five
feet.

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And, you know, you just get
jacked

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out of your mind.

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00:15:03,772 --> 00:15:05,295
And so you started to
see a lot of

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00:15:05,426 --> 00:15:08,037
interesting things come about
from the filmmakers.

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00:15:08,211 --> 00:15:11,040
For instance, I remember a John
Severson in

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a film sequence at Secos of a
hot

332
00:15:14,043 --> 00:15:17,046
offshore morning, having Kemp
Aubrey

333
00:15:17,177 --> 00:15:18,265
play Flamenco guitar.

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00:15:18,395 --> 00:15:19,875
[Guitar music plays]

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00:15:27,230 --> 00:15:29,493
I honestly think that Bud Browne
was

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00:15:29,624 --> 00:15:31,843
probably the first person to
connect

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00:15:31,974 --> 00:15:35,108
instrumental music to the surf
culture

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00:15:35,238 --> 00:15:39,242
because he acquired the
Fireballs music,

339
00:15:39,373 --> 00:15:41,549
right when it came out in the
late 50s.

340
00:15:41,679 --> 00:15:45,074
[The Fireballs play “Bulldog ”]

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00:15:45,205 --> 00:15:47,294
And he immediately started
playing those albums

342
00:15:47,424 --> 00:15:48,512
with his movies.

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00:15:53,648 --> 00:15:54,866
Things were changing

344
00:15:54,997 --> 00:15:56,651
Civil Rights Movement was
getting going.

345
00:15:56,781 --> 00:15:58,696
Folk music was getting big

346
00:15:58,827 --> 00:16:01,047
The Kingston Trio came along, so
they were all

347
00:16:01,177 --> 00:16:03,919
these kind of hints at what was
going to

348
00:16:04,050 --> 00:16:06,922
be developing culturally in the
60s.

349
00:16:07,053 --> 00:16:09,359
it was still kind of in its
youth.

350
00:16:09,490 --> 00:16:10,970
Kids weren't really paying that
much attention.

351
00:16:11,100 --> 00:16:13,973
They were just doing their thing
but in

352
00:16:14,103 --> 00:16:17,367
reality 1959-1960 was a pretty
bland

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00:16:17,498 --> 00:16:18,847
period musically.

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00:16:19,152 --> 00:16:21,154
What you were hearing on the
radio just

355
00:16:21,284 --> 00:16:24,940
before surf music broke was
mostly teen idols in

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00:16:25,071 --> 00:16:27,638
heavily orchestrated material.

357
00:16:28,509 --> 00:16:31,381
That was the era of Frankie
Avalon and Bobby Rydell.

358
00:16:31,512 --> 00:16:32,904
What are generally regarded
as the

359
00:16:33,035 --> 00:16:34,950
ones who tamed rock and roll
down to

360
00:16:35,081 --> 00:16:37,170
where it was safe and the early
days of the

361
00:16:37,300 --> 00:16:39,607
dangerous stuff were kind of
over and

362
00:16:39,737 --> 00:16:41,217
it was still about four years
before

363
00:16:41,348 --> 00:16:42,610
The Beatles
came along.

364
00:16:42,740 --> 00:16:43,959
With Elvis in the Army

365
00:16:44,090 --> 00:16:45,917
and Chuck Berry busted by the
Mann Act

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00:16:46,048 --> 00:16:48,050
and Little Richard finding
religion

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00:16:48,181 --> 00:16:50,400
Jerry Lee Lewis getting busted
for having a

368
00:16:50,531 --> 00:16:52,011
wife who was 13.

369
00:16:53,316 --> 00:16:54,448
On the flip side of that

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00:16:54,578 --> 00:16:56,276
big rock and roll stars were
gone.

371
00:16:56,667 --> 00:16:58,060
[sound of radio tuning]

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00:17:01,890 --> 00:17:03,979
We started to hear instrumental
rock and roll

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00:17:04,110 --> 00:17:05,111
about 1956

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00:17:05,241 --> 00:17:07,200
with Bill Doggett and
Honky Tonk
.

375
00:17:07,330 --> 00:17:08,853
[Bill Doggett plays
”Honky Tonk "]

376
00:17:09,767 --> 00:17:13,336
And then Bill Justis had
"Raunchy"
in ‘57

377
00:17:13,467 --> 00:17:15,121
And that had a really neat
little echoey

378
00:17:15,251 --> 00:17:17,558
Nashville sort of guitar twang
to it.

379
00:17:17,688 --> 00:17:19,081
[Duane Eddy plays
“Rebel Rouser”]

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00:17:19,212 --> 00:17:21,170
And that was really exploited by
Duane Eddy

381
00:17:21,301 --> 00:17:24,434
who came out with "
Rebel
Rouser"
in 1958.

382
00:17:24,565 --> 00:17:26,132
On the flip side of that you had
Link Wray,

383
00:17:26,393 --> 00:17:30,658
"Rawhide"
and "
Rumble", and
eventually "
Jack the Ripper"
.

384
00:17:30,788 --> 00:17:32,790
Then, there was Johnny and the
Hurricanes

385
00:17:32,921 --> 00:17:34,923
with their full band, organ,
saxophone

386
00:17:35,054 --> 00:17:36,055
guitar riffs...

387
00:17:36,185 --> 00:17:38,622
The Fireballs were from New
Mexico

388
00:17:38,753 --> 00:17:40,059
a little more Tex-Mex style

389
00:17:40,189 --> 00:17:42,800
and starting to get a really
tough, rock and

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00:17:42,931 --> 00:17:45,064
roll sounds that were based in
guitar.

391
00:17:46,587 --> 00:17:48,458
As a young guitar player, what
really held

392
00:17:48,589 --> 00:17:50,069
the fascination for me and the
cool factor

393
00:17:50,199 --> 00:17:52,506
was this new sound, this
instrumental

394
00:17:52,636 --> 00:17:54,290
guitar led rock and roll.

395
00:17:54,769 --> 00:17:57,554
I was particularly attracted
to the instrumental players

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00:17:57,685 --> 00:17:59,295
Duane Eddy, Link Wray.

397
00:17:59,426 --> 00:18:01,950
That was probably the most vital
stuff that

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00:18:02,081 --> 00:18:03,604
was going on at that time.

399
00:18:03,778 --> 00:18:05,084
It was spontaneous and

400
00:18:05,214 --> 00:18:06,259
exciting.

401
00:18:06,389 --> 00:18:07,912
And they pretty much started

402
00:18:08,043 --> 00:18:11,438
the kind of music that evolved
into surf music in California.

403
00:18:11,568 --> 00:18:12,961
And ultimately that

404
00:18:13,092 --> 00:18:14,397
led to The Ventures.

405
00:18:14,658 --> 00:18:16,965
[The Ventures plays
“Walk Don't Run ”]

406
00:18:19,794 --> 00:18:21,709
The Ventures had "Walk Don't
Run" which was

407
00:18:21,839 --> 00:18:24,103
like with Fireballs a straight
guitar sound

408
00:18:24,233 --> 00:18:25,365
with no saxophone.

409
00:18:25,495 --> 00:18:26,801
And that was like the shot heard
round the

410
00:18:26,931 --> 00:18:28,585
world in 1960.

411
00:18:28,716 --> 00:18:31,240
Walk Don't Run was a national
Top 10 record

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00:18:31,371 --> 00:18:33,895
that inspired and influenced,
thousands of

413
00:18:34,025 --> 00:18:35,462
kids learning how to play guitar
at the time

414
00:18:35,592 --> 00:18:38,552
myself included and all the
bands that we

415
00:18:38,682 --> 00:18:41,163
played in, would play
Walk Don't Run

416
00:18:41,294 --> 00:18:42,469
as well as all of the other

417
00:18:42,599 --> 00:18:44,471
guitar dominant instrumentals,
that we were

418
00:18:44,601 --> 00:18:45,820
hearing on the radio at the
time.

419
00:18:46,037 --> 00:18:49,345
[Sound of waves crashing]

420
00:18:54,002 --> 00:18:55,612
It was 1955

421
00:18:55,873 --> 00:18:58,920
that I found, my dad went crazy

422
00:18:59,050 --> 00:19:03,925
A 1941 WLD Flathead Harley.

423
00:19:04,055 --> 00:19:06,536
It was like it just came out of
the military the way it was.

424
00:19:06,667 --> 00:19:07,624
It was wild.

425
00:19:10,323 --> 00:19:11,759
I lived in Southwest LA

426
00:19:11,889 --> 00:19:14,196
My buddy Ray said to me, one day

427
00:19:14,327 --> 00:19:17,417
“Let's go down to Balboa, check
out the babes. ”

428
00:19:17,547 --> 00:19:20,376
So we went on down there and
pulled into

429
00:19:20,507 --> 00:19:23,379
that town and it was something
like

430
00:19:23,510 --> 00:19:24,815
Alice in Wonderland.

431
00:19:24,946 --> 00:19:27,209
It had the ferry that would
take you

432
00:19:27,340 --> 00:19:29,168
across the channel to Balboa
Island.

433
00:19:29,298 --> 00:19:31,170
You were on a peninsula

434
00:19:31,300 --> 00:19:33,084
that was three miles long.

435
00:19:33,955 --> 00:19:36,131
Because of our motorcycles I
guess we scared

436
00:19:36,262 --> 00:19:38,786
some of the people maybe and the
police

437
00:19:38,916 --> 00:19:40,135
invited us to leave.

438
00:19:40,266 --> 00:19:43,834
So we left and came back in the
car

439
00:19:43,965 --> 00:19:46,620
brought our guitars with us.

440
00:19:46,750 --> 00:19:47,751
A couple of guitars.

441
00:19:47,969 --> 00:19:49,449
[Sound of film projector]

442
00:19:51,407 --> 00:19:53,844
Well, as you walk down Balboa
Boulevard,

443
00:19:53,975 --> 00:19:57,370
you have the Fun Zone on the
left, which is

444
00:19:57,500 --> 00:19:59,807
bordering the bay and you have
the

445
00:19:59,937 --> 00:20:03,158
Rendezvous on the right after
you've passed

446
00:20:03,289 --> 00:20:05,334
the Balboa Theater, you're at

447
00:20:05,465 --> 00:20:06,640
The Rinky-Dink.

448
00:20:06,770 --> 00:20:09,251
This is an area that was
populated with

449
00:20:09,382 --> 00:20:11,819
people coming down for Easter
Break.

450
00:20:11,949 --> 00:20:14,256
For the summer time. We were
playing

451
00:20:14,387 --> 00:20:16,345
at the Rinky Dink on weekends

452
00:20:16,476 --> 00:20:19,348
our audience, became primarily
surfers.

453
00:20:19,479 --> 00:20:21,045
And these were people that heard
about us

454
00:20:21,176 --> 00:20:22,786
from other surfers, from other
people

455
00:20:22,917 --> 00:20:24,832
even from Dick.

456
00:20:24,962 --> 00:20:26,225
Everybody that was there looked

457
00:20:26,355 --> 00:20:28,662
at least like they were part of
the surf culture,

458
00:20:28,792 --> 00:20:31,273
so this looked like a surf
culture happening.

459
00:20:31,404 --> 00:20:33,449
The Vox was for adults.

460
00:20:33,580 --> 00:20:37,236
The Prison of Socrates was for
folk music

461
00:20:37,366 --> 00:20:39,281
so, the kids had no place to go.

462
00:20:39,412 --> 00:20:41,240
So, when we moved to the
Rendezvous, we were

463
00:20:41,370 --> 00:20:42,415
a magnet.

464
00:20:42,850 --> 00:20:45,200
Dick didn't set out to be a surf
guitarist.

465
00:20:45,331 --> 00:20:47,898
He wanted to be a country
western singer.

466
00:20:48,029 --> 00:20:50,074
What happened was he started
playing at

467
00:20:50,205 --> 00:20:52,251
the Rendezvous Ballroom, even
though he

468
00:20:52,381 --> 00:20:53,600
wanted to be up there singing

469
00:20:53,730 --> 00:20:55,732
the kids say: “Play an
instrumental. ”

470
00:20:55,993 --> 00:20:58,344
Next week, Dick Dale was playing
this song called

471
00:20:58,474 --> 00:20:59,954
Let's Go Trippin'
,
that he made
up.

472
00:21:00,215 --> 00:21:03,262
[The Del-Tones play
“Let's Go Trippin' ”]

473
00:21:05,002 --> 00:21:07,744
The kids used to say: “Let's go
trippin' down to the

474
00:21:07,875 --> 00:21:10,051
beach, to hear Dick Dale play. ”

475
00:21:10,181 --> 00:21:13,315
So, he wrote a song about it and
it became

476
00:21:13,446 --> 00:21:14,751
an anthem.

477
00:21:15,056 --> 00:21:16,710
And from that grew another
instrumental,

478
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:18,233
that grew another instumentral

479
00:21:18,364 --> 00:21:19,713
and Dick wasn't calling it

480
00:21:19,843 --> 00:21:21,192
surf music, he was calling it

481
00:21:21,323 --> 00:21:23,717
The Dick Dale sound.

482
00:21:23,847 --> 00:21:26,241
We went to the Rendezvous, we
went there to

483
00:21:26,372 --> 00:21:28,896
listen to the music and to dance
and to

484
00:21:29,026 --> 00:21:31,290
just be part of the celebration
of all of

485
00:21:31,420 --> 00:21:33,901
us having the common interest of
surfing

486
00:21:34,031 --> 00:21:35,555
and surf music.

487
00:21:37,208 --> 00:21:40,081
I was surfing with seventeen
surfers and I said:

488
00:21:40,211 --> 00:21:41,648
“I'm playing tonight at The
Rendezvous Ballroom

489
00:21:41,778 --> 00:21:43,258
the biggest ballroom on the

490
00:21:43,389 --> 00:21:44,433
peninsula.

491
00:21:44,564 --> 00:21:46,522
Come on down, and have fun. ”

492
00:21:46,653 --> 00:21:47,523
17 surfers.

493
00:21:47,654 --> 00:21:48,829
That was my first audience.

494
00:21:48,959 --> 00:21:50,744
They go: “You're the king, man

495
00:21:50,874 --> 00:21:53,355
You're the king. That sound on
your guitar. ”

496
00:21:53,616 --> 00:21:55,749
Once we heard the Dick Dale
surfer thing

497
00:21:55,879 --> 00:21:57,794
it was like there's no turning
back.

498
00:21:57,925 --> 00:21:59,796
We had started surf music.

499
00:22:00,362 --> 00:22:05,541
[Dick Dale and the Del-Tones play
“Miserlou”]

500
00:22:24,691 --> 00:22:28,172
Miserlou
was an Eastern
Mediterranean folk song

501
00:22:28,303 --> 00:22:30,174
that had been around for
centuries.

502
00:22:30,305 --> 00:22:33,264
But I took it, from listening to
my uncle playing

503
00:22:33,395 --> 00:22:36,616
on an oud, the traditional way
where it goes:

504
00:22:36,746 --> 00:22:38,966
“Dong, da dong, da dong

505
00:22:39,096 --> 00:22:42,839
dong, da dong, da dong. ”

506
00:22:43,144 --> 00:22:45,276
And the belly dancers would come
out.

507
00:22:45,407 --> 00:22:47,627
And I said: “Well, that's too
slow to play.

508
00:22:48,758 --> 00:22:50,760
So, what do I do the Gene Krupa

509
00:22:50,891 --> 00:22:52,371
drumming picking?

510
00:22:52,501 --> 00:22:55,243
Tickety tockety, tickety
tockety, tickety tah... ”

511
00:22:55,417 --> 00:22:56,766
So, I went:

512
00:22:56,940 --> 00:23:00,466
“Yeeeeoh...Dockety dah dun dun,
dockety, dun dun dun

513
00:23:00,596 --> 00:23:02,293
Diggity, dockety, diggity
dockety, dah! ”

514
00:23:02,772 --> 00:23:04,557
That's how that came to be!

515
00:23:05,296 --> 00:23:08,038
And this song comes on the radio
and I had never heard

516
00:23:08,169 --> 00:23:09,431
anything like that before.

517
00:23:09,562 --> 00:23:11,477
It really changed everything.

518
00:23:11,607 --> 00:23:13,566
So all of a sudden kids were
talking about

519
00:23:13,696 --> 00:23:15,437
who's going to drive this
weekend

520
00:23:15,568 --> 00:23:16,830
to go down to the Rendezvous

521
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,745
to go to a Dick Dale stomp.

522
00:23:18,919 --> 00:23:20,050
He was awesome.

523
00:23:20,442 --> 00:23:22,618
Dick Dale was obviously a big
influence and we would

524
00:23:22,749 --> 00:23:25,012
all go down there and watch him,
you know,

525
00:23:25,142 --> 00:23:26,143
every Friday or Saturday night.

526
00:23:27,144 --> 00:23:31,497
Everything was tight,
strong, with an attitude.

527
00:23:31,627 --> 00:23:34,413
With the combination of the
bass, the rhythm guitar,

528
00:23:34,543 --> 00:23:37,633
and the drums gave that animal
feel to it.

529
00:23:37,764 --> 00:23:41,550
Dick Dale's sound was just
totally unique

530
00:23:41,681 --> 00:23:43,639
from anything I'd ever heard
before.

531
00:23:44,597 --> 00:23:45,989
This sound was intense

532
00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:48,688
and it was big.

533
00:23:48,818 --> 00:23:51,212
Our music was the template of
surf music in 1960

534
00:23:51,342 --> 00:23:53,388
and we didn't have a name for
the band yet

535
00:23:53,519 --> 00:23:56,130
and it happened that Dick's
sister Shirley

536
00:23:56,260 --> 00:23:58,698
invited people to suggest names
and somehow

537
00:23:58,828 --> 00:24:00,613
the name Del-Tones came out.

538
00:24:00,743 --> 00:24:04,399
So we were called Dick Dale and
the Del-Tones

539
00:24:04,530 --> 00:24:07,533
later it was changed to Dick
Dale and His Del-Tones.

540
00:24:07,968 --> 00:24:08,969
We just started filling

541
00:24:09,099 --> 00:24:10,100
up the place.

542
00:24:10,884 --> 00:24:13,713
Playing with The Del-Tones was
just a gas.

543
00:24:13,843 --> 00:24:16,498
It was like a dream come true.

544
00:24:16,629 --> 00:24:18,326
I mean, I never thought in a
million years

545
00:24:18,457 --> 00:24:20,328
that I would end up doing
anything like that.

546
00:24:20,459 --> 00:24:22,939
And for a guy with all the
little surf girls

547
00:24:23,070 --> 00:24:24,985
around here, the place being
packed

548
00:24:25,115 --> 00:24:27,683
just seeing the lines of kids
around the block

549
00:24:27,814 --> 00:24:28,815
waiting to get in.

550
00:24:28,945 --> 00:24:30,294
I didn't care about getting
paid.

551
00:24:30,425 --> 00:24:31,295
I didn't care about anything.

552
00:24:31,426 --> 00:24:32,819
I just want to be a part of it.

553
00:24:33,646 --> 00:24:37,345
We had a new sound, Dick
emphasized being loud.

554
00:24:37,476 --> 00:24:39,956
I wanted that tribal sound and I
couldn't

555
00:24:40,087 --> 00:24:41,567
find an amp that was powerful
enough

556
00:24:41,697 --> 00:24:43,960
to sound like Gene Krupa's drums

557
00:24:44,091 --> 00:24:45,571
until I met Leo Fender.

558
00:24:45,701 --> 00:24:47,181
He was like Einstein.

559
00:24:47,311 --> 00:24:49,139
He says: “Here, I just made this
one trying

560
00:24:49,270 --> 00:24:50,271
to get the bugs out of it

561
00:24:50,837 --> 00:24:52,969
why don't you bang on it and
tell me what you think. ”

562
00:24:53,143 --> 00:24:55,581
That gave me this big tribal

563
00:24:55,711 --> 00:24:56,973
thunder where I'm going:

564
00:24:57,104 --> 00:24:59,149
“Dun-Dun-Dada, Dun-Dun-Dada. ”

565
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:00,586
Like that.

566
00:25:00,716 --> 00:25:03,414
Leo used to say: “If it can
withstand the

567
00:25:03,545 --> 00:25:06,592
barrage of punishment of Dick
Dale, then it

568
00:25:06,722 --> 00:25:08,550
is fit for the human
consumption. ”

569
00:25:08,898 --> 00:25:12,249
Leo Fender listened and worked
with musicians at the time.

570
00:25:12,380 --> 00:25:14,469
It was the work he
did with Dick Dale

571
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:15,775
that led to the revolutionary

572
00:25:15,905 --> 00:25:18,212
development of the Showman
Amplifier

573
00:25:18,342 --> 00:25:20,214
the most powerful amplifier at
the time.

574
00:25:20,344 --> 00:25:22,172
He also worked with Dick to
develop the

575
00:25:22,303 --> 00:25:24,131
Fender Reverb unit in 1961.

576
00:25:24,261 --> 00:25:25,959
[music plays]

577
00:25:26,089 --> 00:25:28,178
This was a device that gave a
wet kind of a

578
00:25:28,309 --> 00:25:30,703
drippy sound to the guitar and
later that

579
00:25:30,833 --> 00:25:33,357
sound became strongly associated
with the

580
00:25:33,488 --> 00:25:34,968
sound of surf music.

581
00:25:35,446 --> 00:25:37,231
As soon as we started playing

582
00:25:37,361 --> 00:25:38,493
they were on the dance floor.

583
00:25:38,624 --> 00:25:40,495
Everybody reacted to the music.

584
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,845
Obviously, or they wouldn't be
lining up to get in.

585
00:25:43,498 --> 00:25:45,805
You could see that everybody was
feeling the music

586
00:25:45,935 --> 00:25:48,547
not listening to it, but feeling
the music.

587
00:25:48,677 --> 00:25:51,854
And thus, they started the
Surfer Stomp

588
00:25:51,985 --> 00:25:53,813
that went along with it.

589
00:25:53,943 --> 00:25:56,990
[sound of stomping feet]

590
00:25:59,035 --> 00:26:01,821
Of course you couldn't miss the
sound of the Surfer Stomp.

591
00:26:01,951 --> 00:26:04,345
I remember the couples, facing
each other

592
00:26:04,475 --> 00:26:05,868
just stomping away.

593
00:26:05,999 --> 00:26:06,869
Kind of shuffling.

594
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,002
[The Del-Tones play]

595
00:26:09,132 --> 00:26:11,657
There was an old wooden floor at
the Rendezvous.

596
00:26:11,787 --> 00:26:14,442
The floor would move up and down

597
00:26:14,573 --> 00:26:16,400
you could kind of feel the whole
building

598
00:26:16,531 --> 00:26:18,228
moving, you know, it's sweaty

599
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,318
it's hot, they're stomping,
it's loud, it was great.

600
00:26:21,971 --> 00:26:25,018
It goes up to 4,000 people a
night and

601
00:26:25,148 --> 00:26:28,108
I kept adding to my band,
bigger and bigger and bigger.

602
00:26:28,717 --> 00:26:31,807
[sound of spotlight turning on]

603
00:26:31,938 --> 00:26:34,897
[sound of typewriter]

604
00:26:36,856 --> 00:26:39,032
Our music, attracted some
attention with the

605
00:26:39,162 --> 00:26:40,076
city officials.

606
00:26:40,207 --> 00:26:41,774
[sound of police siren]

607
00:26:41,904 --> 00:26:45,821
They said the guitar music was
evil and

608
00:26:45,952 --> 00:26:46,953
devil music.

609
00:26:48,563 --> 00:26:50,652
There was a suggestion that we
leave town.

610
00:26:55,875 --> 00:26:58,747
They fired me and they didn't
realize that

611
00:26:58,878 --> 00:27:01,010
people were standing out in the
line coming

612
00:27:01,141 --> 00:27:04,710
in from all these places to
watch us do

613
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,537
what we were doing.

614
00:27:08,235 --> 00:27:10,454
And all of a sudden bands
started playing

615
00:27:10,585 --> 00:27:12,805
this new style of rock and roll
that Dick Dale

616
00:27:12,935 --> 00:27:14,458
and the Del-Tones were doing

617
00:27:14,589 --> 00:27:16,591
this sound called surf music.

618
00:27:16,722 --> 00:27:19,028
We were hanging around Torrance
Beach in the early

619
00:27:19,159 --> 00:27:21,596
summer of ‘61 and I kept hearing
the surfers

620
00:27:21,727 --> 00:27:23,163
they're talkin' about:
“Hey man,

621
00:27:23,293 --> 00:27:24,904
are you going down to the
Rendezvous this

622
00:27:25,034 --> 00:27:27,471
weekend? We're going down to see
Dick Dale. ”

623
00:27:27,602 --> 00:27:29,125
I had no idea what it was all
about.

624
00:27:29,256 --> 00:27:31,693
We went down ourselves to see
what was

625
00:27:31,824 --> 00:27:32,738
going on.

626
00:27:32,868 --> 00:27:33,913
I was blown away.

627
00:27:35,566 --> 00:27:39,005
[music plays]

628
00:27:39,135 --> 00:27:40,920
I met this guy

629
00:27:41,050 --> 00:27:44,053
Eddie Bertrand on a school bus
in 1959,

630
00:27:44,445 --> 00:27:45,925
and we discovered that we were
both

631
00:27:46,055 --> 00:27:47,753
fledgling guitarists.

632
00:27:47,883 --> 00:27:49,319
Both Duane Eddy fans.

633
00:27:51,104 --> 00:27:53,933
We got together and played
guitars

634
00:27:54,063 --> 00:27:55,761
one day and went: “Wow this is
really neat. ”

635
00:27:55,891 --> 00:27:58,111
I developed a style of rhythm
guitar

636
00:27:58,241 --> 00:27:59,025
playing that covered

637
00:28:01,462 --> 00:28:03,246
it to sound complete with just
Eddie and I.

638
00:28:03,507 --> 00:28:07,294
[The Bel Airs play “Mr. Moto ”]

639
00:28:07,816 --> 00:28:10,166
And that, ironically came to
sort of be

640
00:28:10,297 --> 00:28:13,779
regarded as the surf-style of
rhythm playing.

641
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:15,781
The sound that we got

642
00:28:15,911 --> 00:28:18,914
just fascinated us. So, we got a
drummer

643
00:28:19,045 --> 00:28:20,786
and we got a sax player.

644
00:28:20,916 --> 00:28:22,526
It became a band.

645
00:28:22,657 --> 00:28:25,181
We just decided we needed to be
a band.

646
00:28:32,101 --> 00:28:34,408
I was still learning my basic
chords and I

647
00:28:34,538 --> 00:28:36,366
was just learning how to play a
bar

648
00:28:36,497 --> 00:28:39,108
position B flat, and I was
switching back

649
00:28:39,239 --> 00:28:41,545
and forth between that and the D
minor chord.

650
00:28:41,676 --> 00:28:43,547
I started hearing this melody in
my head

651
00:28:43,678 --> 00:28:44,679
to go with that.

652
00:28:45,114 --> 00:28:46,376
Right about that time

653
00:28:46,507 --> 00:28:49,553
there was this wrestler in LA
called "Mr. Moto".

654
00:28:49,815 --> 00:28:52,513
That's the name for the song!
So, we titled it

655
00:28:52,643 --> 00:28:53,862
"Mr. Moto".

656
00:28:54,036 --> 00:28:55,995
"Mr. Moto" was one of the first
45 rpm records

657
00:28:56,125 --> 00:28:57,213
I bought as a kid.

658
00:28:57,344 --> 00:28:58,954
I really liked the chord changes

659
00:28:59,085 --> 00:29:00,129
and the melody.

660
00:29:00,260 --> 00:29:02,044
It was probably the first
instrumental

661
00:29:02,175 --> 00:29:03,567
I learned how to play on the
guitar.

662
00:29:03,698 --> 00:29:05,831
I did the musical arrangements
and Eddie

663
00:29:05,961 --> 00:29:08,572
played the lead guitar and Delvy
was the business manager.

664
00:29:08,703 --> 00:29:10,270
I said to them: “Would you guys

665
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:11,793
like to make some money? ”

666
00:29:12,272 --> 00:29:13,882
And they said: “Sure. ”

667
00:29:14,013 --> 00:29:16,667
So, I booked us a sock hop at
the high school I was going to.

668
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,454
The first dance we threw, we
passed out

669
00:29:20,584 --> 00:29:23,109
flyers around the beach and sure
enough

670
00:29:23,239 --> 00:29:24,763
We got about 200 kids to come.

671
00:29:24,893 --> 00:29:27,026
Most of them were the surfers.

672
00:29:27,156 --> 00:29:28,679
I remember one surfer came
up to me and

673
00:29:28,810 --> 00:29:30,856
he simply said: “Wow man, your
music sounds

674
00:29:30,986 --> 00:29:32,596
like it feels out there on a
wave.

675
00:29:32,727 --> 00:29:34,468
You oughta call it surf music.”

676
00:29:34,598 --> 00:29:36,296
I don't know if the Bel Airs
ever considered

677
00:29:36,426 --> 00:29:38,037
themselves a surf band at first

678
00:29:38,167 --> 00:29:40,213
I think people digging the band
kind of just

679
00:29:40,343 --> 00:29:41,605
tagged us that.

680
00:29:42,258 --> 00:29:45,479
The world of surfing claimed us,
so to speak

681
00:29:45,609 --> 00:29:47,089
as theirs.

682
00:29:47,220 --> 00:29:48,525
We went from 200 kids

683
00:29:48,656 --> 00:29:51,050
begining of the summer, to 1500
kids at the

684
00:29:51,180 --> 00:29:52,660
end of the summer.

685
00:29:52,791 --> 00:29:54,314
We made an amazing amount of
money.

686
00:29:54,444 --> 00:29:56,229
I couldn't believe it being a
kid making

687
00:29:56,359 --> 00:29:57,491
all this money

688
00:29:57,621 --> 00:29:58,884
everytime we did a dance.

689
00:29:59,014 --> 00:30:00,668
That first dance we threw, I
remember going home

690
00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:02,322
and we had about 600 bucks.

691
00:30:02,452 --> 00:30:04,541
We threw it out all on a
mattress and we're

692
00:30:04,672 --> 00:30:06,326
like you know doing this
with it.

693
00:30:06,456 --> 00:30:08,023
We played at a party

694
00:30:08,154 --> 00:30:10,504
and took that money and went to
Hollywood

695
00:30:10,634 --> 00:30:11,984
and decided to make a record.

696
00:30:12,114 --> 00:30:14,725
We rented some time at Liberty
recording studio.

697
00:30:14,856 --> 00:30:17,250
Went in and spent about an hour
or two and recorded

698
00:30:17,380 --> 00:30:18,686
five tracks.

699
00:30:18,817 --> 00:30:20,993
"Mr. Moto" had two takes, 'cause
I didn't like how

700
00:30:21,123 --> 00:30:22,255
I played the chorus.

701
00:30:22,385 --> 00:30:23,822
Other than that, it was all
first takes

702
00:30:23,952 --> 00:30:24,953
and we were out the door.

703
00:30:25,954 --> 00:30:27,173
The record came out

704
00:30:27,303 --> 00:30:28,870
and it didn't do anything for
like six months.

705
00:30:29,001 --> 00:30:30,698
So, we started hyping the record
to the

706
00:30:30,829 --> 00:30:32,047
radio stations.

707
00:30:32,178 --> 00:30:34,180
We got our friends to call in
and request it.

708
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:36,269
And at that time, KRLA was
running

709
00:30:36,399 --> 00:30:37,705
these things where they play the
top 10

710
00:30:37,836 --> 00:30:40,055
from high schools every night.

711
00:30:40,186 --> 00:30:42,144
Sam Riddle's show.

712
00:30:42,362 --> 00:30:45,234
Came on at nine o'clock every
night and was called
Topic
Youth
.

713
00:30:45,713 --> 00:30:47,367
Every night, he would highlight
a different

714
00:30:47,497 --> 00:30:49,717
high school and he would play
the top 10

715
00:30:49,848 --> 00:30:51,937
records that that High School
submitted.

716
00:30:52,067 --> 00:30:56,724
We started creating these phony
surveys.

717
00:30:56,855 --> 00:30:59,205
So I sent him a list of the
top 10.

718
00:30:59,335 --> 00:31:01,424
Of course, "Mr. Moto" was
number one.

719
00:31:01,555 --> 00:31:05,211
I created a whole bogus top ten
for the

720
00:31:05,341 --> 00:31:07,387
Redondo High School, where I was
going.

721
00:31:07,866 --> 00:31:09,955
And that night, it was all about

722
00:31:10,085 --> 00:31:11,608
Redondo High School and

723
00:31:11,739 --> 00:31:14,437
"Mr. Moto" was number one on the
Redondo High School survey.

724
00:31:14,568 --> 00:31:17,136
And then one night he plays the
top 10

725
00:31:17,266 --> 00:31:19,442
from Palos Verdes High School

726
00:31:19,573 --> 00:31:20,966
He says: “I don't know who you
guys are, but good luck.”

727
00:31:21,096 --> 00:31:23,098
And there it goes and I went
just nuts.

728
00:31:23,446 --> 00:31:25,622
If you saw the movie
"That Thing You Do"

729
00:31:25,753 --> 00:31:27,755
you know exactly what it was
like

730
00:31:27,886 --> 00:31:30,105
for a bunch of young kids to
hear the

731
00:31:30,236 --> 00:31:31,890
song playing on the radio.

732
00:31:32,020 --> 00:31:33,804
I got a-- I got a big boost

733
00:31:33,935 --> 00:31:35,763
every morning at 8 o'clock, as
I'm getting ready

734
00:31:35,894 --> 00:31:37,112
to go to school

735
00:31:37,243 --> 00:31:38,766
I could turn on the radio and
hear "Mr. Moto".

736
00:31:38,897 --> 00:31:40,594
Big thrill.

737
00:31:41,595 --> 00:31:44,337
After "Mr. Moto" became a small
hit, I'm getting phone calls

738
00:31:44,467 --> 00:31:46,600
from parents in the group
trying to

739
00:31:46,730 --> 00:31:49,342
tell me what their direction is
for the group.

740
00:31:49,472 --> 00:31:51,735
Some of these people, I'd never
even talked to.

741
00:31:51,953 --> 00:31:53,433
I got real upset and my mother
said:

742
00:31:53,563 --> 00:31:55,087
“Well quit the band.

743
00:31:55,217 --> 00:31:56,349
Start another one. ”
I said: “I can't do that. ”

744
00:31:56,479 --> 00:31:57,785
I remember crying.

745
00:31:57,916 --> 00:32:00,048
Something happened to kind of
split that

746
00:32:00,179 --> 00:32:02,442
group apart and that something
that

747
00:32:02,572 --> 00:32:05,488
happened was the Fender Reverb
unit.

748
00:32:05,619 --> 00:32:08,622
Eddie Bertrand, decided he
really wanted to

749
00:32:08,752 --> 00:32:11,930
start using that to modify his
sound in the band.

750
00:32:12,060 --> 00:32:13,366
Paul Johnson, the other guitar
player,

751
00:32:13,496 --> 00:32:15,803
really didn't want to go in that
direction.

752
00:32:15,934 --> 00:32:18,327
So there was a separation of the
ways.

753
00:32:18,937 --> 00:32:21,026
Eddie Bertrand left the group to
form

754
00:32:21,156 --> 00:32:23,158
Eddie and the Showmen
and
continue with his

755
00:32:23,289 --> 00:32:26,161
powerful reverb, driven guitar
instrumentals.

756
00:32:26,422 --> 00:32:28,468
[Eddie and the Showmen play
“Squad Car ”]

757
00:32:28,598 --> 00:32:31,079
"Squad Car" was written by Paul
Johnson but

758
00:32:31,210 --> 00:32:32,863
Eddie recorded the most powerful
and

759
00:32:32,994 --> 00:32:35,083
frantic version of the song that
became a

760
00:32:35,214 --> 00:32:36,563
local radio hit.

761
00:32:36,693 --> 00:32:37,825
It was kind of an easy

762
00:32:37,956 --> 00:32:39,653
thing to do and it all happened
within,

763
00:32:39,783 --> 00:32:41,524
probably, a couple-- three weeks

764
00:32:41,655 --> 00:32:43,265
after The Bel Airs broke up.

765
00:32:43,396 --> 00:32:44,310
We played the Rendezvous

766
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,877
Ballroom in Balboa, and we just
kept

767
00:32:47,008 --> 00:32:49,054
playing louder and louder and
louder.

768
00:32:49,184 --> 00:32:52,971
[screaming guitar riff]

769
00:32:54,015 --> 00:32:57,976
By the end of the night that
speaker was shredded.

770
00:32:58,106 --> 00:32:59,542
I thought, well I'll go to
Fender

771
00:32:59,673 --> 00:33:01,283
he'll fix this.

772
00:33:01,414 --> 00:33:03,633
Showed up, and he looks up, he
says "Now, how can I help you?"

773
00:33:03,764 --> 00:33:05,113
I said: “Well, I have

774
00:33:05,244 --> 00:33:07,246
a Bandmaster piggyback and

775
00:33:07,376 --> 00:33:08,856
I ripped the speaker to shreds.

776
00:33:08,987 --> 00:33:11,859
I was just thinking, what if we
put two

777
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:15,036
speakers in there? ”
And he said: “Tell you what,

778
00:33:15,167 --> 00:33:16,516
you leave that stuff with me.

779
00:33:16,646 --> 00:33:18,605
I'll give you something to play
out of until then. ”

780
00:33:18,735 --> 00:33:19,954
Went back in two weeks

781
00:33:20,085 --> 00:33:23,088
and here's this cabinet with two
speakers in it.

782
00:33:23,218 --> 00:33:24,437
And I played it...

783
00:33:24,567 --> 00:33:26,700
[Eddie and the Showmen play
“Squad Car ”]

784
00:33:28,223 --> 00:33:30,660
And I went: “My God, this thing
sounds huge. ”

785
00:33:31,270 --> 00:33:33,881
The last thing Leo said to me:
“Whatever

786
00:33:34,012 --> 00:33:36,536
you do, don't tell anybody what
we've done

787
00:33:36,666 --> 00:33:38,842
because we don't produce these
amps. ”

788
00:33:39,321 --> 00:33:43,238
Other musicians would come,
like, bam up to the stage.

789
00:33:43,369 --> 00:33:44,544
“What's that? ”

790
00:33:44,674 --> 00:33:45,980
And I'd say: “What's what? ”

791
00:33:47,155 --> 00:33:49,157
Anyway, within probably a month

792
00:33:49,288 --> 00:33:51,768
I'm guessing, it became the
standard

793
00:33:51,899 --> 00:33:54,815
Bandmaster, had two 12s from
then on.

794
00:33:55,859 --> 00:33:57,035
He wanted to model his sound

795
00:33:57,165 --> 00:33:58,558
after Dick Dale's sound.

796
00:33:58,688 --> 00:34:01,039
He was totally blown away by the
power of that Fender

797
00:34:01,169 --> 00:34:03,389
guitar, reverb and amp
combination.

798
00:34:04,042 --> 00:34:05,913
They really got a foothold
locally when

799
00:34:06,044 --> 00:34:07,088
they became the house band at

800
00:34:07,219 --> 00:34:09,482
the Retail Clerks Hall in
Buena Park

801
00:34:09,612 --> 00:34:10,787
and started to attract

802
00:34:10,918 --> 00:34:13,094
as many kids there, actually on
weekends as

803
00:34:13,225 --> 00:34:15,531
Dick Dale was bringing to
Harmony Park.

804
00:34:18,534 --> 00:34:22,147
In November of 1962, we came out
with an album

805
00:34:22,277 --> 00:34:24,410
called
Surfers' Choice.

806
00:34:24,801 --> 00:34:25,933
A number of the songs

807
00:34:26,064 --> 00:34:28,762
on the album were recorded at
the Harmony

808
00:34:28,892 --> 00:34:30,546
Park Ballroom in Anaheim.

809
00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:32,853
[Dick Dale and the
Del-Tones play]

810
00:34:35,725 --> 00:34:38,815
In 1963, Dick Dale and the
Del-Tones, were

811
00:34:38,946 --> 00:34:41,340
having such success that they
booked a tour

812
00:34:41,470 --> 00:34:42,950
up and down the East Coast.

813
00:34:43,081 --> 00:34:45,648
[radio chatter]

814
00:34:45,779 --> 00:34:48,651
Must have been ‘63,
where we had

815
00:34:48,782 --> 00:34:50,262
a small tour back East.

816
00:34:50,392 --> 00:34:52,002
Mainly, we played at this
nightclub in

817
00:34:52,133 --> 00:34:53,003
New Jersey.

818
00:34:53,221 --> 00:34:55,441
Of course, it was a drinking
crowd

819
00:34:55,571 --> 00:34:57,834
much different crowd than we had
in Southern California.

820
00:34:57,965 --> 00:35:00,576
And when we went on stage and
played, it

821
00:35:00,707 --> 00:35:03,188
was like we were from Mars, they
could not

822
00:35:03,318 --> 00:35:04,667
relate to this music.

823
00:35:05,407 --> 00:35:07,192
Now here's the youngster, you
read

824
00:35:07,322 --> 00:35:10,673
about recently in Life Magazine,
here from

825
00:35:10,804 --> 00:35:14,286
Boston and Quincy Mass and now
the coast

826
00:35:14,416 --> 00:35:16,636
Dick Dale,
Surfing' and a
Swingin'

827
00:35:16,766 --> 00:35:18,681
So, let's have a fine hand!

828
00:35:22,381 --> 00:35:26,646
[sings]

829
00:35:33,043 --> 00:35:35,045
It was a disappointment for
Dick.

830
00:35:35,176 --> 00:35:36,612
We had to play behind a curtain
while

831
00:35:36,743 --> 00:35:38,745
Dick was up front, probably
because they didn' t want

832
00:35:38,875 --> 00:35:41,400
to pay us union scale or
whatever.

833
00:35:41,530 --> 00:35:45,752
[Dick plays guitar riff]

834
00:35:48,015 --> 00:35:50,757
Let's have a nice hand for this
youngster.

835
00:35:50,887 --> 00:35:54,064
Capitol in their wisdom had
decided that they
didn't want to use

836
00:35:54,195 --> 00:35:55,936
the Del-Tones on the records.

837
00:35:56,632 --> 00:35:59,461
They want to use studio players,
big mistake, I think.

838
00:36:00,897 --> 00:36:02,725
Dick said: “Well if I can't have
my band, I

839
00:36:02,856 --> 00:36:03,900
got to have at least one of my
guys, ”

840
00:36:04,031 --> 00:36:05,598
and he chose me, thankfully.

841
00:36:07,469 --> 00:36:09,210
While we were back East...

842
00:36:10,037 --> 00:36:14,824
[The Beach Boys sing
“Surfin' Safari ”]

843
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,221
The Beach Boys

844
00:36:20,352 --> 00:36:23,224
had like their first hit.

845
00:36:23,355 --> 00:36:24,747
The talk around the beach was:

846
00:36:24,878 --> 00:36:26,967
“Who are these gremmies? ”

847
00:36:27,097 --> 00:36:28,751
The whole feeling behind it was
that

848
00:36:28,882 --> 00:36:31,928
these guys were just a bunch of
inlanders

849
00:36:32,059 --> 00:36:33,887
who were trying to jump on the
trend

850
00:36:34,279 --> 00:36:36,324
as it was developing. It only
sounded

851
00:36:36,455 --> 00:36:38,674
vaguely like it related to the
kind of music

852
00:36:38,805 --> 00:36:41,111
we were playing, there was a big
question mark

853
00:36:41,242 --> 00:36:43,026
as to how authentic this was.

854
00:36:43,505 --> 00:36:45,246
In fact, some of the surfers
were so annoyed

855
00:36:45,377 --> 00:36:46,987
this was candy coating

856
00:36:47,117 --> 00:36:48,771
and commercializing the sport.

857
00:36:48,902 --> 00:36:50,686
And I remember hearing a bunch
of surfers

858
00:36:50,817 --> 00:36:52,819
saying: “Hey, let's go beat
those guys up. ”

859
00:36:54,690 --> 00:36:56,910
This is my favorite sport next
to skydiving.

860
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:01,393
[audience laughs]

861
00:37:01,828 --> 00:37:03,221
Look what just drove up.

862
00:37:04,134 --> 00:37:06,398
Looks like a couple of senior
citizen drop outs.

863
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:13,143
[The Beach Boys sing
“California Girls ”]

864
00:37:13,274 --> 00:37:15,624
The Beach Boys were booed

865
00:37:15,755 --> 00:37:18,192
vegetables and fruit were
thrown at them on the stage

866
00:37:18,323 --> 00:37:20,586
by the surfers because they
thought they

867
00:37:20,716 --> 00:37:21,978
were quote: “Rank ”.

868
00:37:22,327 --> 00:37:24,372
“Who wants to hear these stupid
lyrics? ”

869
00:37:24,503 --> 00:37:27,984
It wasn't heavy duty, it
wasn't power.

870
00:37:28,420 --> 00:37:30,291
I remember listening to the
radio and going:

871
00:37:30,422 --> 00:37:32,641
“How do they get to spread the
word about

872
00:37:32,772 --> 00:37:35,644
surf music? And here we are
trying to do it

873
00:37:35,775 --> 00:37:37,385
and here's Dick, the innovator

874
00:37:37,516 --> 00:37:38,865
the father of surf music.

875
00:37:38,995 --> 00:37:40,649
You know, he doesn't get to
partake

876
00:37:40,780 --> 00:37:42,434
in spreading this word. ”

877
00:37:42,564 --> 00:37:43,565
Dick Dale is the

878
00:37:43,696 --> 00:37:46,960
originator, not one of the
originators

879
00:37:47,090 --> 00:37:49,092
THE originator.

880
00:37:50,268 --> 00:37:51,617
Here are
The Challengers
.

881
00:37:52,574 --> 00:37:54,924
[The Challengers sing
“Seventh Son”]

882
00:37:57,884 --> 00:38:00,190
I just quit, walked away from
The Bel Airs

883
00:38:00,321 --> 00:38:01,670
and I started
The Challengers
.

884
00:38:03,019 --> 00:38:05,631
I was booking these little
Legion Halls

885
00:38:05,761 --> 00:38:08,198
I call up the Pepsi company to
bring down a truck.

886
00:38:08,329 --> 00:38:10,549
I call Brian Wilson, I have him
come down and

887
00:38:10,679 --> 00:38:12,420
It'd be us and
The Beach Boys

888
00:38:12,551 --> 00:38:14,204
Next thing you know the place
was crowded and then

889
00:38:14,335 --> 00:38:16,903
cops and fights would break out
and then that was the

890
00:38:17,033 --> 00:38:18,600
last time we could use that
hall.

891
00:38:18,818 --> 00:38:20,907
That happened to us
about three or four times.

892
00:38:22,212 --> 00:38:26,086
The Challengers
were
the hardest working band.

893
00:38:26,216 --> 00:38:28,697
We backed more artists, made
more recordings

894
00:38:28,828 --> 00:38:30,656
than all of the bands combined.

895
00:38:30,786 --> 00:38:32,614
We were always the dependable
band that

896
00:38:32,745 --> 00:38:34,703
could back you live and then do
our show

897
00:38:34,834 --> 00:38:36,618
and draw a certain the number of
people to

898
00:38:36,749 --> 00:38:40,056
the venue, so that really set
the stage for

899
00:38:40,187 --> 00:38:43,625
credible appearances on
television and radio and we

900
00:38:43,756 --> 00:38:46,236
would play the theme song for
Lloyd Thaxton's

901
00:38:46,367 --> 00:38:47,890
TV show.

902
00:38:48,021 --> 00:38:49,588
My name is Lloyd Thaxton.

903
00:38:49,718 --> 00:38:51,111
So what!

904
00:38:51,241 --> 00:38:54,375
The Lloyd Thaxton Show
was
hugely popular

905
00:38:54,506 --> 00:38:55,681
here in Southern California.

906
00:38:55,811 --> 00:38:57,683
We would all rush home from
high school to

907
00:38:57,813 --> 00:38:59,032
watch Lloyd Thaxton.

908
00:38:59,206 --> 00:39:01,382
His was the only TV dance hop

909
00:39:01,513 --> 00:39:03,819
that featured surf music on a
regular basis

910
00:39:03,950 --> 00:39:05,125
including
The Challengers
.

911
00:39:05,255 --> 00:39:07,910
In fact, they asked him to
endorse their

912
00:39:08,041 --> 00:39:09,825
second album,
Surfing With The
Challengers
.

913
00:39:10,260 --> 00:39:13,133
[The Challengers sing
“Secret Agent Man ”]

914
00:39:13,655 --> 00:39:15,091
I played what I wanted to play

915
00:39:15,222 --> 00:39:17,267
and it just so happened that I
liked

916
00:39:17,398 --> 00:39:19,748
the music that the kids liked.

917
00:39:20,053 --> 00:39:22,360
Here they are,
The Astronauts
!

918
00:39:23,404 --> 00:39:25,885
Most shows came from New York
and they had

919
00:39:26,015 --> 00:39:27,539
the New York look.

920
00:39:27,669 --> 00:39:30,150
No one saw the surf music back
East. They didn't see this.

921
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,979
But, they could come to
California by turning on their

922
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:35,721
television set and watching
The
Lloyd Thaxton Show
.

923
00:39:35,851 --> 00:39:38,419
That's what made surfing move

924
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:40,116
out of Southern California

925
00:39:40,247 --> 00:39:41,988
to go all across the nation and

926
00:39:42,118 --> 00:39:44,294
eventually, all over the world,
and it

927
00:39:44,425 --> 00:39:45,731
happened because of the Dick
Dales

928
00:39:45,861 --> 00:39:47,689
happens because of The
Challengers, they brought the

929
00:39:47,820 --> 00:39:48,821
surf to me.

930
00:39:49,648 --> 00:39:51,650
The Challengers gained a
national

931
00:39:51,780 --> 00:39:52,999
reputation and became one of the
most

932
00:39:53,129 --> 00:39:55,741
successful surf instrumental
bands by

933
00:39:55,871 --> 00:39:58,961
virtue of their many appearances
on local

934
00:39:59,092 --> 00:40:01,529
TV shows and syndicated TV shows
like

935
00:40:01,660 --> 00:40:02,922
Hollywood a Go-Go
and
Shebang.

936
00:40:05,054 --> 00:40:06,142
On behalf of myself

937
00:40:06,273 --> 00:40:08,580
and the rest of the guys in the
group, we

938
00:40:08,710 --> 00:40:10,843
would like to thank you all for
making our

939
00:40:10,973 --> 00:40:13,367
song
Pipeline
such a big hit
throughout the nation.

940
00:40:13,498 --> 00:40:15,587
We would like to play it for you
now.

941
00:40:21,984 --> 00:40:23,769
What ended up becoming
Pipeline

942
00:40:23,899 --> 00:40:26,206
it was at one time called
44
Magnum.

943
00:40:26,336 --> 00:40:29,035
Next time, we called it
Liberty's Whip

944
00:40:29,165 --> 00:40:30,384
but, we went to this Bruce
Browne movie

945
00:40:30,515 --> 00:40:32,212
they showed the sequence of
Banzai

946
00:40:32,342 --> 00:40:35,041
Pipeline, and we're going:
“Whoa, this is cool.

947
00:40:35,171 --> 00:40:37,391
Why don't we call the song
Pipeline? ”

948
00:40:37,522 --> 00:40:39,349
The first time I heard the
opening glissando to

949
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,047
Pipeline
, I was impressed.

950
00:40:41,177 --> 00:40:43,832
It was the first time I'd heard
anything like that.

951
00:40:43,963 --> 00:40:46,618
And as a result of
Pipeline
, the glissando

952
00:40:46,748 --> 00:40:50,404
became a standard technique used
by surf bands.

953
00:40:50,535 --> 00:40:52,841
When
Pipeline
came out, we were
playing at the

954
00:40:52,972 --> 00:40:55,583
Rendezvous Ballroom, we'd have
thousands of

955
00:40:55,714 --> 00:40:57,759
people in there doing the Surfer
Stomp.

956
00:40:57,890 --> 00:40:59,544
All the surfers will show up in
their huaraches

957
00:40:59,674 --> 00:41:01,241
and the whole place would
start rocking

958
00:41:01,371 --> 00:41:03,243
'cause everybody stomping on the
floor.

959
00:41:04,026 --> 00:41:06,420
It was wild frenzied dancing,
you know

960
00:41:06,638 --> 00:41:08,117
the people would just let
themselves go.

961
00:41:08,988 --> 00:41:11,860
Every time I walked into that
Retail Clerks Hall

962
00:41:11,991 --> 00:41:13,558
or the Rendezvous, either
one of those

963
00:41:13,688 --> 00:41:16,430
giant places, I would have to
hold my ears

964
00:41:16,561 --> 00:41:18,867
and it would take me ten or
fifteen minutes just

965
00:41:18,998 --> 00:41:21,566
to get through the DB level,
that was being

966
00:41:21,696 --> 00:41:22,697
pumped through that room.

967
00:41:24,046 --> 00:41:25,918
Everyone sort of jumped up and
down

968
00:41:26,048 --> 00:41:27,441
in unison to the music

969
00:41:27,572 --> 00:41:29,661
and the building would move like
a wooden

970
00:41:29,791 --> 00:41:31,314
gym floor and it was flexible.

971
00:41:31,445 --> 00:41:33,882
And I think it bounced the
musicians on

972
00:41:34,013 --> 00:41:36,189
the stage, from the crowd going
up and down.

973
00:41:37,582 --> 00:41:40,410
The Rendezvous was a lot of fun,
but also

974
00:41:40,541 --> 00:41:41,586
kind of dangerous.

975
00:41:41,847 --> 00:41:44,589
But there were confrontations
between the

976
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,461
people from the beach and the
Inland people.

977
00:41:47,592 --> 00:41:50,420
And I can remember, going out
dancing

978
00:41:50,551 --> 00:41:53,467
and some big nasty looking biker

979
00:41:53,598 --> 00:41:55,600
type hodad coming up to me and
saying:

980
00:41:55,730 --> 00:41:57,950
“You dance shitty. ”

981
00:41:58,472 --> 00:42:00,822
A whole line of people would
link arms

982
00:42:00,953 --> 00:42:03,303
and then facing them was

983
00:42:03,433 --> 00:42:04,609
another line.

984
00:42:04,739 --> 00:42:07,046
They would run up to the other
line. They

985
00:42:07,263 --> 00:42:09,178
would come up like this and
go back...

986
00:42:10,397 --> 00:42:11,529
destined for trouble.

987
00:42:12,617 --> 00:42:14,793
[stomping to the beat]

988
00:42:15,837 --> 00:42:19,624
This guy got into a fight with
this other guy

989
00:42:19,754 --> 00:42:21,887
one of the fighter's
girlfriends got involved

990
00:42:22,017 --> 00:42:23,497
and started mouthing at the
other guy

991
00:42:23,628 --> 00:42:24,672
all of sudden

992
00:42:24,803 --> 00:42:26,761
this guy pulled out a
switchblade and

993
00:42:26,892 --> 00:42:29,329
stabbed at the guy and missed
him and hit

994
00:42:29,459 --> 00:42:32,462
the girl, and it went into her
eye or something...

995
00:42:32,941 --> 00:42:35,596
and my girlfriend and I just
fled, never went back.

996
00:42:36,641 --> 00:42:39,905
Surf music was a male-dominated
cultural event.

997
00:42:40,775 --> 00:42:41,907
And that's why

998
00:42:42,037 --> 00:42:44,474
Kathy Marshall's presence on the
scene was

999
00:42:44,605 --> 00:42:46,955
extremely significant.

1000
00:42:47,086 --> 00:42:48,522
She could have been a huge star
if the future

1001
00:42:48,653 --> 00:42:50,829
had unfolded a bit differently,
but she

1002
00:42:50,959 --> 00:42:53,440
does deserve a unique place in
the history books.

1003
00:42:53,788 --> 00:42:55,616
Kathy never released a
commercial

1004
00:42:55,747 --> 00:42:58,184
recording, but she went in the
studio with

1005
00:42:58,314 --> 00:43:00,752
Eddie and the Showmen
to record
a demo of

1006
00:43:00,882 --> 00:43:01,796
Bullseye
.

1007
00:43:08,890 --> 00:43:11,371
Being a girl and playing guitar

1008
00:43:11,501 --> 00:43:13,373
I don't know if I was good
enough to have

1009
00:43:13,503 --> 00:43:16,506
said: “Come on in, let's play, ”
like a guy but

1010
00:43:16,637 --> 00:43:17,638
it also rubbed me wrong when:

1011
00:43:21,294 --> 00:43:22,556
be good for a girl.

1012
00:43:22,687 --> 00:43:24,645
I want to be as good as the
guys.

1013
00:43:25,037 --> 00:43:28,040
My grandmother had a little
get-together on

1014
00:43:28,170 --> 00:43:30,216
a Sunday afternoon and she
invited one of

1015
00:43:30,346 --> 00:43:33,828
her friends and he brought his
electric guitar.

1016
00:43:34,176 --> 00:43:36,483
I just was mesmerized.

1017
00:43:37,353 --> 00:43:39,399
The transistor radio was how I
learned

1018
00:43:39,529 --> 00:43:40,792
how to play the guitar.

1019
00:43:40,922 --> 00:43:47,320
[radio chatter]

1020
00:43:48,277 --> 00:43:50,018
I would come home from school,
turn on the

1021
00:43:50,149 --> 00:43:52,760
transistor radio, pick up my
guitar and

1022
00:43:52,891 --> 00:43:54,980
learn whatever song was on the
radio.

1023
00:43:55,110 --> 00:43:58,026
I was so devoted to it and I
think my mom

1024
00:43:58,157 --> 00:43:59,593
could see me getting
better at it.

1025
00:43:59,724 --> 00:44:04,250
It was her suggestion that I
take guitar lessons.

1026
00:44:05,381 --> 00:44:08,558
The first time I heard a surf
band live

1027
00:44:08,689 --> 00:44:11,257
was the time I played with one.

1028
00:44:11,387 --> 00:44:14,042
My sister was having a
graduation party at her

1029
00:44:14,173 --> 00:44:16,610
house and so, they hired a local
band

1030
00:44:16,741 --> 00:44:19,134
called The Blazers and my mom
mentioned that

1031
00:44:19,265 --> 00:44:20,658
I played guitar.

1032
00:44:20,788 --> 00:44:23,051
Their manager says: “Let me hear
her.”

1033
00:44:23,182 --> 00:44:25,532
So, I sat down and I played
Pipeline.

1034
00:44:31,016 --> 00:44:34,628
So, the day of the party I got
up and I

1035
00:44:34,759 --> 00:44:36,282
played with
The Blazers
.

1036
00:44:43,985 --> 00:44:46,509
When the party was over with,
their manager

1037
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,121
said, to my mom: “I don't think
I've ever

1038
00:44:49,251 --> 00:44:52,646
seen a girl rock and roll
electric guitar player before.

1039
00:44:52,777 --> 00:44:55,475
What do you think about her
playing with
The Blazers
?”

1040
00:44:55,605 --> 00:44:57,346
And she said: “Okay.”

1041
00:44:59,740 --> 00:45:00,436
The Blazers

1042
00:45:00,567 --> 00:45:02,090
they were all surfers.

1043
00:45:02,221 --> 00:45:04,353
We'd get up at five in the
morning.

1044
00:45:04,484 --> 00:45:06,921
My mom would take us all down to
Huntington Beach.

1045
00:45:07,052 --> 00:45:08,662
They would surf

1046
00:45:08,793 --> 00:45:10,098
and we'd sit on the beach and
just

1047
00:45:10,229 --> 00:45:11,491
play our guitars.

1048
00:45:11,621 --> 00:45:13,493
It was surf music.

1049
00:45:13,667 --> 00:45:16,322
The Retail Clerks Union Hall
in Buena Park

1050
00:45:16,452 --> 00:45:18,890
it was like the mecca for all
the stars to go.

1051
00:45:19,020 --> 00:45:22,241
It's the first time I ever saw
Eddie and the Showmen
play.

1052
00:45:22,371 --> 00:45:24,112
Eddie and the Showmen
, to me

1053
00:45:24,243 --> 00:45:27,681
were like a huge step up in
musician quality

1054
00:45:27,812 --> 00:45:29,814
and I was kind of in awe of
them.

1055
00:45:29,944 --> 00:45:31,337
He's a good-looking guy.

1056
00:45:31,467 --> 00:45:34,166
What impressed me more, was his
presence.

1057
00:45:34,296 --> 00:45:36,385
Just before
The Righteous
Brothers

1058
00:45:36,516 --> 00:45:39,171
were to go on, Eddie's dad came
to my mom

1059
00:45:39,301 --> 00:45:41,869
and said: “Would she go on with
Eddie and the Showmen
?”

1060
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,132
And my mom said: “Yes. ”

1061
00:45:44,524 --> 00:45:46,831
I would play a lick and then
he'd play a lick.

1062
00:45:46,961 --> 00:45:49,442
It was like a battle going
back and forth.

1063
00:45:49,572 --> 00:45:51,836
Then, the next thing I know, he
starts stepping

1064
00:45:51,966 --> 00:45:54,316
on my licks and I walked up to
his guitar

1065
00:45:54,447 --> 00:45:56,014
like I was really going to watch
him play

1066
00:45:56,144 --> 00:45:58,233
and I just pulled his plug.

1067
00:45:58,451 --> 00:45:59,278
[feedback]

1068
00:46:01,889 --> 00:46:04,283
After that, I had a really good
following

1069
00:46:04,413 --> 00:46:07,590
because of this little rivalry
that went on between Eddie and I

1070
00:46:07,721 --> 00:46:08,940
from that point on.

1071
00:46:09,288 --> 00:46:10,550
I was fourteen.

1072
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:12,595
Eddie was 18, or 19

1073
00:46:12,726 --> 00:46:16,164
our relationship was rocky at
times.

1074
00:46:16,774 --> 00:46:19,037
I don't want to say a love-hate
relationship.

1075
00:46:19,167 --> 00:46:20,734
I mean, I cared for him and I
think

1076
00:46:20,865 --> 00:46:22,344
he liked me and I liked him.

1077
00:46:22,475 --> 00:46:24,259
It seemed like he resented
me at times

1078
00:46:24,390 --> 00:46:26,000
but he always tried
to help me, too.

1079
00:46:26,174 --> 00:46:29,221
And he was the star, 'cause he
had the presence.

1080
00:46:30,396 --> 00:46:32,833
He was very patient with me.

1081
00:46:36,184 --> 00:46:38,796
Dave and the Marksmen
,
Eddie and the Showmen

1082
00:46:38,926 --> 00:46:40,449
and Kathy Marshall, went
out on

1083
00:46:40,580 --> 00:46:43,452
the road and toured California,
like a little review.

1084
00:46:43,583 --> 00:46:45,890
And it was just like one big,
happy family

1085
00:46:46,020 --> 00:46:48,066
having a great time on the road
like that.

1086
00:46:51,765 --> 00:46:54,768
We had some really great times
on those tours.

1087
00:46:55,769 --> 00:46:57,684
The first time I heard Dick Dale

1088
00:46:57,815 --> 00:46:59,947
play live was the day I played
with him.

1089
00:47:00,426 --> 00:47:02,297
I was not allowed to go to
Harmony Park,

1090
00:47:02,428 --> 00:47:05,213
which is where his venue was,
most of the time.

1091
00:47:05,344 --> 00:47:06,475
Harmony Park had a

1092
00:47:06,606 --> 00:47:09,000
reputation of being a kind of, a
rough place.

1093
00:47:09,130 --> 00:47:11,829
So, I never got to see him
in person.

1094
00:47:11,959 --> 00:47:15,441
My manager, booked me to play
with him at

1095
00:47:15,571 --> 00:47:17,051
the Huntington Pavilion.

1096
00:47:18,357 --> 00:47:19,749
And I was scared to death.

1097
00:47:21,055 --> 00:47:24,015
I had heard stories that he's
very rough

1098
00:47:24,145 --> 00:47:26,582
and he's not a nice guy and all
this stuff.

1099
00:47:27,409 --> 00:47:30,238
When they brought me up on
stage, he was

1100
00:47:30,369 --> 00:47:33,198
playing with me at the same time
he was

1101
00:47:33,328 --> 00:47:34,852
just like being a rhythm guitar
player

1102
00:47:34,982 --> 00:47:37,506
playing behind me and he stopped
what he

1103
00:47:37,637 --> 00:47:40,118
was doing and he walked over and
he stood

1104
00:47:40,248 --> 00:47:41,946
there for a minute in front of

1105
00:47:42,076 --> 00:47:44,209
the whole crowd and then
he threw his hands up

1106
00:47:44,339 --> 00:47:47,125
like he couldn't compete and
went over and

1107
00:47:47,255 --> 00:47:50,519
put his guitar down and stood
off to the side.

1108
00:47:50,650 --> 00:47:52,521
I gave her a title and I called
her

1109
00:47:52,652 --> 00:47:54,828
Queen of the Surf Guitar.

1110
00:47:54,959 --> 00:47:56,525
I never heard of another girl

1111
00:47:56,656 --> 00:47:59,050
rock-and-roll, electric guitar
player

1112
00:47:59,180 --> 00:48:00,312
at the time.

1113
00:48:00,442 --> 00:48:03,010
I was an anomaly, I mean, it was
something

1114
00:48:03,141 --> 00:48:04,272
very different.

1115
00:48:04,403 --> 00:48:06,579
I didn't think about being
well known, or

1116
00:48:06,709 --> 00:48:09,321
being even compared to someone
like Dick Dale.

1117
00:48:09,451 --> 00:48:12,367
My impetus was, I just want to
play guitar.

1118
00:48:25,032 --> 00:48:26,294
None of us really

1119
00:48:26,425 --> 00:48:29,384
could comprehend how big it was
going to get.

1120
00:48:32,735 --> 00:48:34,041
Within a short period

1121
00:48:34,172 --> 00:48:35,956
the large movie studios

1122
00:48:36,087 --> 00:48:38,306
saw an opportunity and started
producing

1123
00:48:38,437 --> 00:48:41,048
teen exploitation movies in the
form of

1124
00:48:41,179 --> 00:48:42,310
beach party films.

1125
00:48:44,182 --> 00:48:46,575
The mainstream jumped on it and
began to

1126
00:48:46,706 --> 00:48:47,707
merchandise the heck out of it.

1127
00:48:47,837 --> 00:48:50,014
It was just like in the movies.

1128
00:48:52,059 --> 00:48:54,844
Those depictions of fights and
stuff like that

1129
00:48:55,454 --> 00:48:57,325
those fights actually happened!

1130
00:48:57,456 --> 00:48:59,893
Beach Party
with Frankie and
Annette.

1131
00:49:00,241 --> 00:49:03,201
[singing]

1132
00:49:03,331 --> 00:49:05,943
That made more money than
Cleopatra
did.

1133
00:49:06,073 --> 00:49:09,598
So, find the beauty in
commercialism.

1134
00:49:09,729 --> 00:49:12,906
The good part is, they woke up
the world

1135
00:49:13,037 --> 00:49:15,082
to the world of surfing.

1136
00:49:15,213 --> 00:49:18,129
And that blew it up into
a hula hoop

1137
00:49:18,259 --> 00:49:20,870
kind of fad, from which it never
recovered.

1138
00:49:21,871 --> 00:49:23,743
Thank you very much Keith.

1139
00:49:23,873 --> 00:49:26,398
Thank you,
Mixtures
.

1140
00:49:26,528 --> 00:49:28,791
And, um, just about ready?

1141
00:49:29,096 --> 00:49:31,316
Eddie and the Showmen
got to do
the Hollywood Bowl

1142
00:49:31,446 --> 00:49:34,101
which in itself, was insane.

1143
00:49:34,232 --> 00:49:36,974
I'd like to tell you about
Eddie and the Showmen

1144
00:49:37,104 --> 00:49:40,238
I walked out and here's 10,000
plus people!

1145
00:49:40,368 --> 00:49:44,633
These boys come from the South
Bay, Palos Verdes.

1146
00:49:44,764 --> 00:49:47,245
The feeling I had was like,
whoa...

1147
00:49:47,375 --> 00:49:49,899
Allright Eddie, tell them what
you're gonna play...

1148
00:49:50,335 --> 00:49:52,902
[music playing]

1149
00:49:55,731 --> 00:49:58,299
Is surfing a fun sport?

1150
00:49:58,778 --> 00:50:00,214
There was a period of time that
you could

1151
00:50:00,345 --> 00:50:03,000
open up Time Magazine, Sports
Illustrated

1152
00:50:03,130 --> 00:50:06,351
and surfing was included as
part of mainstream America.

1153
00:50:06,873 --> 00:50:08,135
It just became an

1154
00:50:08,266 --> 00:50:11,399
industry, just like music
business.

1155
00:50:11,573 --> 00:50:14,359
And they got swept up into this
romantic wave

1156
00:50:14,489 --> 00:50:16,883
that if you go out west, it's
not movie stars.

1157
00:50:17,014 --> 00:50:20,408
It's the beach, it's blondes,
it's surf music.

1158
00:50:20,539 --> 00:50:23,237
It's all the freedom that you
could ask for

1159
00:50:23,368 --> 00:50:26,458
because there wasn't anything
else on the horizon yet.

1160
00:50:26,588 --> 00:50:29,809
The media just glamorized it
even more,

1161
00:50:29,939 --> 00:50:31,289
but it was glamorous.

1162
00:50:31,419 --> 00:50:35,684
There was this desire for
everybody to have

1163
00:50:35,815 --> 00:50:37,686
this identity with the surf
culture.

1164
00:50:37,817 --> 00:50:39,297
Suddenly you're bleaching
your hair

1165
00:50:39,427 --> 00:50:41,690
you had a flat top, with a
little bit of peroxide on it

1166
00:50:41,821 --> 00:50:43,257
so you look like you've been to
the beach

1167
00:50:43,388 --> 00:50:45,607
but you haven't been there, but
you look like it.

1168
00:50:45,738 --> 00:50:48,697
Kids would drive around in the
Midwest in the United States

1169
00:50:48,828 --> 00:50:49,872
with the half a surfboard

1170
00:50:50,003 --> 00:50:51,700
hanging out the trunk of the car
to emulate

1171
00:50:51,831 --> 00:50:53,659
being a surfer and they never
seen the ocean.

1172
00:50:53,789 --> 00:50:55,226
The surfing community

1173
00:50:55,356 --> 00:50:57,489
at the time wasn't
really thrilled

1174
00:50:57,619 --> 00:50:59,534
about going national

1175
00:50:59,665 --> 00:51:01,536
having surfing get that big.

1176
00:51:01,667 --> 00:51:03,451
because, now it's bringing
a lot of people

1177
00:51:03,582 --> 00:51:07,977
who aren't really true surfers
into the field

1178
00:51:08,108 --> 00:51:10,763
but it happened, because of the
music.

1179
00:51:12,286 --> 00:51:15,550
In 1961, there was a literal
explosion of

1180
00:51:15,681 --> 00:51:18,379
bands and dances and 45 RPM
records

1181
00:51:18,510 --> 00:51:20,555
Within a short period

1182
00:51:20,686 --> 00:51:22,905
thousands of garages across
Southern California

1183
00:51:23,036 --> 00:51:25,125
began to fill with teenagers,

1184
00:51:25,256 --> 00:51:27,388
who were eager to form their own
bands

1185
00:51:27,519 --> 00:51:29,347
and jump on this new phenomenon.

1186
00:51:29,825 --> 00:51:32,045
[music playing]

1187
00:51:33,916 --> 00:51:36,180
The 45 RPM record became a way
for these

1188
00:51:36,310 --> 00:51:38,791
bands to market themselves and
their music.

1189
00:51:38,921 --> 00:51:41,837
The number of recordings
steadily escalated

1190
00:51:41,968 --> 00:51:45,189
and peaked during the summer of
1963.

1191
00:51:45,319 --> 00:51:47,582
But only a handful found their
way onto the

1192
00:51:47,713 --> 00:51:50,019
radio and even fewer were picked
up by

1193
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:52,457
major labels and became hit
records such as

1194
00:51:52,587 --> 00:51:55,982
Pipeline
by
The Chantays or
Wipeout
by
The Surfaris.

1195
00:51:56,243 --> 00:51:57,766
[drum solo]

1196
00:51:58,463 --> 00:52:01,292
Ronnie being the consummate
musician he was

1197
00:52:01,422 --> 00:52:03,207
starts this drumbeat and we go:

1198
00:52:03,337 --> 00:52:05,034
“Well, we better put some chords
and a

1199
00:52:05,165 --> 00:52:08,255
melody to this, because it'll be
a drum solo if we don't!”

1200
00:52:09,256 --> 00:52:10,823
Got a shingle from the roof.

1201
00:52:10,953 --> 00:52:12,825
Bob cracked it over his knee

1202
00:52:12,955 --> 00:52:15,436
sounded like a surfboard
cracking and then Dale had

1203
00:52:15,567 --> 00:52:17,656
this crazy laugh that he did at
parties.

1204
00:52:18,091 --> 00:52:20,311
[ “Wipeout” plays]

1205
00:52:20,963 --> 00:52:24,315
Pretty soon,
Wipeout
went
worldwide.

1206
00:52:25,185 --> 00:52:26,926
So, we were having a really good
time.

1207
00:52:28,319 --> 00:52:29,276
Then...

1208
00:52:30,712 --> 00:52:32,888
[music playing]

1209
00:52:39,286 --> 00:52:41,201
When The Beatles came out

1210
00:52:41,332 --> 00:52:43,725
surf music suffered, a lot.

1211
00:52:45,292 --> 00:52:47,294
The Beatles
changed everything.

1212
00:52:47,425 --> 00:52:49,340
I don't think people wanted to
sit and just

1213
00:52:49,470 --> 00:52:51,298
listen to instruments anymore

1214
00:52:51,429 --> 00:52:53,735
they wanted lyrics, and they
wanted voice.

1215
00:52:55,389 --> 00:52:58,784
The song, instead of being about
surfer girl

1216
00:52:58,914 --> 00:53:01,482
or your hot rod, it became

1217
00:53:01,613 --> 00:53:04,790
protest songs, and it just
became a very

1218
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:06,444
unhopeful time.

1219
00:53:07,140 --> 00:53:08,185
The surf bands

1220
00:53:08,315 --> 00:53:10,056
for the most part, just sort of
like

1221
00:53:10,187 --> 00:53:12,058
one day, they were not there
anymore.

1222
00:53:12,189 --> 00:53:14,887
The marketing people were just
gearing up

1223
00:53:15,017 --> 00:53:16,715
to really cash in on the surf
culture.

1224
00:53:16,845 --> 00:53:18,891
when
The Beatles
showed up.

1225
00:53:19,021 --> 00:53:21,459
I had other bands after
The Bel Airs in the surf vein,

1226
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:24,375
but it all was gone by 1965.

1227
00:53:24,505 --> 00:53:26,420
The folk rock thing was just
starting

1228
00:53:26,551 --> 00:53:28,422
and I jumped on that.

1229
00:53:28,553 --> 00:53:31,251
Lyrics tell you what to think.

1230
00:53:31,382 --> 00:53:33,079
Instrumental music doesn't.

1231
00:53:33,210 --> 00:53:35,690
It gives you the freedom to
think what you want

1232
00:53:35,821 --> 00:53:36,909
and go where you will.

1233
00:53:37,039 --> 00:53:39,651
That's why I loved instrumental
music.

1234
00:53:40,521 --> 00:53:42,654
To me, it was bubble gum

1235
00:53:42,784 --> 00:53:45,222
because, once again we were
doing this rock and roll

1236
00:53:45,352 --> 00:53:47,006
and rhythm and blues.

1237
00:53:47,398 --> 00:53:49,400
The artists that were just
breaking out

1238
00:53:49,530 --> 00:53:50,531
climbing up the charts

1239
00:53:50,749 --> 00:53:53,273
it was just like they hit a
brick wall.

1240
00:53:55,406 --> 00:53:57,582
In 1966,

1241
00:53:57,843 --> 00:54:00,541
the Rendezvous Ballroom, the
legendary home

1242
00:54:00,672 --> 00:54:03,414
to Dick Dale and the birthplace
of surf music

1243
00:54:03,544 --> 00:54:06,025
burned to the ground.

1244
00:54:09,289 --> 00:54:11,857
Surf music should never be
anything but fun.

1245
00:54:11,987 --> 00:54:13,337
It just happened

1246
00:54:13,467 --> 00:54:15,861
that it ended and it couldn't
support.

1247
00:54:15,991 --> 00:54:19,560
It couldn't pay its way,
anymore.

1248
00:54:21,693 --> 00:54:23,956
The music changed and the people
changed

1249
00:54:24,086 --> 00:54:26,045
and their attitudes changed.

1250
00:54:28,265 --> 00:54:32,834
And you'll never hear surf music
again.

1251
00:54:36,098 --> 00:54:38,492
Jimi Hendrix may have been
right.

1252
00:54:38,623 --> 00:54:41,582
Surf music experienced an
existential crisis,

1253
00:54:41,713 --> 00:54:44,281
the music of the 70's was
characterized by

1254
00:54:44,411 --> 00:54:46,805
long drawn-out solos,
overproduced

1255
00:54:46,935 --> 00:54:49,460
arrangements, conceptual album
music with

1256
00:54:49,590 --> 00:54:50,548
hidden meaning.

1257
00:54:51,723 --> 00:54:53,986
And there was disco.

1258
00:54:54,421 --> 00:54:56,597
I mean it just seems like nobody
was

1259
00:54:56,728 --> 00:54:58,860
interested in surf music anymore

1260
00:54:59,426 --> 00:55:01,036
but that wasn't true for me.

1261
00:55:01,167 --> 00:55:02,603
So it occurred to me one day,
that it might be

1262
00:55:02,734 --> 00:55:05,998
fun to put a band together and
make a surf record

1263
00:55:06,128 --> 00:55:07,478
which is something
I wanted to do

1264
00:55:07,608 --> 00:55:08,609
back in the 60s

1265
00:55:08,740 --> 00:55:10,481
but I never had the chance.

1266
00:55:10,611 --> 00:55:12,744
[music plays]

1267
00:55:20,708 --> 00:55:22,319
Surf music died a long time ago.

1268
00:55:22,449 --> 00:55:23,145
Nobody even knew

1269
00:55:23,276 --> 00:55:24,146
what surf music was.

1270
00:55:24,277 --> 00:55:26,018
There were no surf music crowds.

1271
00:55:26,148 --> 00:55:29,021
There was no such thing, unless
The Beach Boys

1272
00:55:29,151 --> 00:55:30,544
big-name bands, like that

1273
00:55:30,675 --> 00:55:32,590
Jan and Dean
probably were

1274
00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:34,200
doing something somewhere.

1275
00:55:34,461 --> 00:55:35,636
As time went by

1276
00:55:35,767 --> 00:55:38,247
in music, in the 70s, everything
was overblown

1277
00:55:38,378 --> 00:55:42,817
overproduced, big guitar, big
hair

1278
00:55:42,948 --> 00:55:45,864
I think people started getting
tired of that.

1279
00:55:46,343 --> 00:55:48,693
I think the main appeal of
Jon
and the Nightriders

1280
00:55:48,823 --> 00:55:52,566
It was just the pulse. It was
primal to the nth power.

1281
00:55:52,697 --> 00:55:54,089
[music plays]

1282
00:55:54,351 --> 00:55:56,396
This was recorded at a friend's
house in

1283
00:55:56,527 --> 00:55:59,268
Orange County on a 4-track

1284
00:55:59,399 --> 00:56:02,968
Reel-to-reel tape recorder, and
I took the

1285
00:56:03,098 --> 00:56:05,057
tape into Los Angeles, to have
it pressed up

1286
00:56:05,187 --> 00:56:06,972
by a record company and I asked
them to do it

1287
00:56:07,102 --> 00:56:10,497
on blue vinyl, because I thought
it looked cool.

1288
00:56:10,671 --> 00:56:11,933
[music plays]

1289
00:56:14,414 --> 00:56:16,851
I took this record and I drove
it to

1290
00:56:16,982 --> 00:56:19,376
K-ROQ, which were in Pasadena,
I walked

1291
00:56:19,506 --> 00:56:21,290
right into the control room and
I said:

1292
00:56:21,421 --> 00:56:23,118
“Hey, you got to play
this record. ” And they put it

1293
00:56:23,249 --> 00:56:25,120
on and they played it
immediately right on the spot.

1294
00:56:25,251 --> 00:56:26,557
That's how cool the station was.

1295
00:56:26,687 --> 00:56:30,038
And then we booked a studio in
Los Angeles

1296
00:56:30,169 --> 00:56:31,475
and recorded

1297
00:56:31,605 --> 00:56:34,129
What eventually became
Surf Beat ‘80.

1298
00:56:34,260 --> 00:56:36,305
This album hadn't been out
longer than a couple

1299
00:56:36,436 --> 00:56:38,133
months when I had a phone call
from a

1300
00:56:38,264 --> 00:56:40,701
concert promoter, who
wanted to hire us to open

1301
00:56:40,832 --> 00:56:43,138
a big show at the Santa Monica
Civic Auditorium.

1302
00:56:43,269 --> 00:56:45,489
It's historically known as the

1303
00:56:45,619 --> 00:56:47,621
concert that revived surf music.

1304
00:56:47,752 --> 00:56:49,362
It was The Surf Punks and
Dick Dale

1305
00:56:49,493 --> 00:56:51,886
at the Santa Monica Civic and
we're the opening act.

1306
00:56:52,104 --> 00:56:53,888
[music plays]

1307
00:57:02,288 --> 00:57:03,942
Jon and the Nightriders,
we were like doing

1308
00:57:04,072 --> 00:57:07,162
lightning speed versions of... I
mean we were

1309
00:57:07,293 --> 00:57:09,513
like surf music on drugs or
something.

1310
00:57:09,643 --> 00:57:10,688
That just opened the door.

1311
00:57:10,818 --> 00:57:13,168
All the LA bands like
The Go-Gos
and

1312
00:57:13,299 --> 00:57:15,432
Missing Persons
,
they all wanted

1313
00:57:15,562 --> 00:57:17,129
Jon and the Nightriders
to
open for them.

1314
00:57:17,259 --> 00:57:18,783
Alright, surf's up!

1315
00:57:18,913 --> 00:57:19,914
More and more people

1316
00:57:20,045 --> 00:57:21,786
were picking up on this sound.

1317
00:57:21,916 --> 00:57:24,092
I mean, in the 1960s, I don't
believe any

1318
00:57:24,223 --> 00:57:26,791
surf band ever played at
The Whiskey a Go-Go

1319
00:57:26,921 --> 00:57:28,532
and yet in the 80s

1320
00:57:28,662 --> 00:57:31,970
several surf bands played at the
Whiskey A Go-Go.

1321
00:57:32,361 --> 00:57:33,624
[music plays]

1322
00:57:43,024 --> 00:57:47,681
The only gigs they could even
get were

1323
00:57:47,812 --> 00:57:50,554
with areas of the punk rock
audience.

1324
00:57:50,684 --> 00:57:53,252
And if
Jon and the Nightriders
came out and rocked

1325
00:57:53,382 --> 00:57:55,646
they'd slam dance to them, too.

1326
00:57:56,342 --> 00:57:58,126
As long as you ducked the beer
cans

1327
00:57:58,257 --> 00:57:59,258
It was fun!

1328
00:57:59,388 --> 00:58:00,738
A very exciting time in
Hollywood.

1329
00:58:00,868 --> 00:58:02,391
Lot of punk bands playing

1330
00:58:02,522 --> 00:58:05,003
LA Weekly and Bam Magazine, and
all these

1331
00:58:05,133 --> 00:58:06,787
trades were talking about the
band.

1332
00:58:06,918 --> 00:58:10,617
The punk scene had been given
birth, you had

1333
00:58:10,748 --> 00:58:14,055
X and The Germs
,
that whole
scene was going on.

1334
00:58:14,186 --> 00:58:16,275
People had just embraced it
again into

1335
00:58:16,405 --> 00:58:18,233
this whole era of the early 80s.

1336
00:58:18,364 --> 00:58:20,627
But when you got off into surf
punk world

1337
00:58:20,758 --> 00:58:23,064
we just found our little slot
right in that.

1338
00:58:23,195 --> 00:58:26,154
So there was a whole
instrumental revival

1339
00:58:26,285 --> 00:58:28,853
like nobody'd ever seen before,
and it started

1340
00:58:28,983 --> 00:58:31,116
happening all over the world.

1341
00:58:34,206 --> 00:58:37,426
All of a sudden John says: “Ok
guys, we're going to Europe.”

1342
00:58:37,731 --> 00:58:39,211
That was almost shocking.

1343
00:58:39,341 --> 00:58:40,429
Are these people nuts?

1344
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:42,301
They want surf music in Europe?

1345
00:58:42,431 --> 00:58:44,564
That first show that we did in
Holland

1346
00:58:44,695 --> 00:58:47,567
was at a huge rockabilly
festival.

1347
00:58:47,698 --> 00:58:48,699
At the time

1348
00:58:48,829 --> 00:58:50,048
what was very current and trendy
and

1349
00:58:50,178 --> 00:58:53,486
popular in Holland, was the
Clark Gable movie

1350
00:58:53,617 --> 00:58:55,053
Gone With the Wind
. And they
were all

1351
00:58:55,183 --> 00:58:57,011
like into the southern motif.

1352
00:59:00,754 --> 00:59:03,627
We were playing in a very large
Hall and

1353
00:59:03,757 --> 00:59:05,585
there must have been several
thousand

1354
00:59:05,716 --> 00:59:06,804
rockabilly fans there.

1355
00:59:06,934 --> 00:59:09,981
And I remember being constantly
booed

1356
00:59:10,111 --> 00:59:11,243
by the audience.

1357
00:59:13,114 --> 00:59:15,073
And then a bunch of German
rockabilly guys

1358
00:59:15,203 --> 00:59:16,465
were kind of yelling at us:

1359
00:59:16,596 --> 00:59:19,381
“Rockabilly, man, rockabilly!”

1360
00:59:22,733 --> 00:59:25,344
The promoter had told us before
we left:

1361
00:59:25,474 --> 00:59:27,607
“You need to learn the
Song of
the South

1362
00:59:27,738 --> 00:59:28,608
surf style.”

1363
00:59:28,739 --> 00:59:30,479
So we flew right off into
Dixie.

1364
00:59:30,784 --> 00:59:32,569
[music plays]

1365
00:59:39,488 --> 00:59:41,926
The moment we did that song that
crowd

1366
00:59:42,056 --> 00:59:43,492
erupted and loved us.

1367
01:00:05,210 --> 01:00:06,515
Everybody in the crowd, man

1368
01:00:06,646 --> 01:00:09,257
just started waving flags and
everybody

1369
01:00:09,388 --> 01:00:10,737
started cheering.

1370
01:00:10,868 --> 01:00:13,914
The crowd did a complete
180-degree change in their

1371
01:00:14,088 --> 01:00:16,090
attitude and we walked off that
stage

1372
01:00:16,221 --> 01:00:17,614
as heroes.

1373
01:00:22,444 --> 01:00:23,968
I think if we wouldn't have done
that, they

1374
01:00:24,098 --> 01:00:25,360
may have stormed the stage

1375
01:00:25,491 --> 01:00:27,362
Jon and the Nightriders
may have
never

1376
01:00:27,493 --> 01:00:28,625
come back to America, you know.

1377
01:00:30,104 --> 01:00:33,368
I remember thinking on the
flight home that

1378
01:00:33,499 --> 01:00:35,370
European audiences, really
weren't that

1379
01:00:35,501 --> 01:00:37,285
much different than those in the
states.

1380
01:00:37,416 --> 01:00:40,114
It was obvious to me that surf
music

1381
01:00:40,245 --> 01:00:41,768
had a universal appeal.

1382
01:00:41,899 --> 01:00:44,641
There was a place for it in the
pop music scene.

1383
01:00:44,858 --> 01:00:46,643
[music plays]

1384
01:00:48,209 --> 01:00:49,994
We came home to do more tours.

1385
01:00:50,124 --> 01:00:53,388
Make more records and play
more venues.

1386
01:00:58,002 --> 01:01:02,397
Throughout the 80s new surf
bands continued to form.

1387
01:01:02,528 --> 01:01:06,184
Bands like
The Surf Raiders
,
Paul Johnson and the Packards

1388
01:01:06,314 --> 01:01:09,796
The Evasions
,
The Surf Punks

1389
01:01:09,927 --> 01:01:12,756
The Insect Surfers
and the
Malibooz

1390
01:01:12,886 --> 01:01:14,801
were among a growing number of
surf bands

1391
01:01:14,932 --> 01:01:17,456
that all helped draw
attention to the music.

1392
01:01:19,023 --> 01:01:21,547
Dick Dale was featured in a
segment on KABC's

1393
01:01:21,678 --> 01:01:22,853
Eye on LA

1394
01:01:22,983 --> 01:01:25,899
He was interviewed at his home
in Newport Beach

1395
01:01:26,030 --> 01:01:27,596
when he felt he was ready for a
comeback

1396
01:01:27,727 --> 01:01:30,251
after battling cancer and being
absent from

1397
01:01:30,382 --> 01:01:32,863
the concert scene throughout the
1970s.

1398
01:01:34,603 --> 01:01:37,781
And he did come back to tour and
record again.

1399
01:01:37,911 --> 01:01:39,913
It was really great to see
somebody make a

1400
01:01:40,044 --> 01:01:41,045
comeback like that.

1401
01:01:41,349 --> 01:01:42,873
The Ventures
, who toured

1402
01:01:43,003 --> 01:01:46,006
exclusively in Japan for years,
returned to US

1403
01:01:46,137 --> 01:01:48,922
stages after a decade of
absence.

1404
01:01:50,794 --> 01:01:53,100
Reunion concerts were held.

1405
01:01:53,231 --> 01:01:55,233
[music plays]

1406
01:01:56,974 --> 01:01:59,367
And people remembered the fun
again.

1407
01:02:10,814 --> 01:02:13,730
And then something happened in
1994 that

1408
01:02:13,860 --> 01:02:16,123
sparked the popularity of surf
music to a

1409
01:02:16,254 --> 01:02:18,299
greater degree than ever before.

1410
01:02:18,517 --> 01:02:21,302
[narrator reading]

1411
01:02:25,567 --> 01:02:30,877
For just sheer rock-charged
viscera

1412
01:02:31,008 --> 01:02:33,271
I think it would have to be
Miserlou
.

1413
01:02:34,446 --> 01:02:38,450
Pulp Fiction
really cemented
surf music into the

1414
01:02:38,580 --> 01:02:41,148
consciousness of the world.

1415
01:02:41,670 --> 01:02:44,673
As a result, surf bands started
forming in even greater

1416
01:02:44,804 --> 01:02:46,545
numbers all across the globe.

1417
01:02:46,675 --> 01:02:49,461
This time period became known as
the third wave.

1418
01:02:49,591 --> 01:02:52,856
All around Europe, the same
story is repeating

1419
01:02:52,986 --> 01:02:54,596
Pulp Fiction
clearly presented

1420
01:02:54,727 --> 01:02:57,774
surf music to a wider audience,
instead of

1421
01:02:57,904 --> 01:03:00,341
using the words surf music, a
lot of people now

1422
01:03:00,472 --> 01:03:03,605
tell us: “You're playing
Pulp Fiction
music.”

1423
01:03:03,736 --> 01:03:06,043
Founded in the late 80s, the
Huntington

1424
01:03:06,173 --> 01:03:07,609
Beach International Surfing
Museum

1425
01:03:07,740 --> 01:03:09,742
continues to support the surf
music

1426
01:03:09,873 --> 01:03:12,310
community with Sunday afternoon
concerts

1427
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:13,441
during the summer.

1428
01:03:16,488 --> 01:03:18,751
For the last several years,
Livorno a small

1429
01:03:18,882 --> 01:03:21,406
Tuscany town on the west coast
of Italy has

1430
01:03:21,536 --> 01:03:23,800
been the location for a huge
three day

1431
01:03:23,930 --> 01:03:26,063
International surf music event,
called

1432
01:03:26,193 --> 01:03:27,629
The Surfer Joe Festival
.

1433
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:31,155
The Surfer Joe Summer Festival
was born from my idea

1434
01:03:31,285 --> 01:03:33,200
a few years ago, with the
purpose to put together

1435
01:03:33,331 --> 01:03:34,593
all Italian surf bands.

1436
01:03:34,723 --> 01:03:36,900
But people was thinking that I
was crazy

1437
01:03:37,030 --> 01:03:39,772
trying to put together shows and
push the

1438
01:03:39,903 --> 01:03:42,209
entire surf music movement in
Italy.

1439
01:03:42,340 --> 01:03:45,212
We had the first Festival in
2003 and the

1440
01:03:45,343 --> 01:03:47,475
festival was absolutely great.

1441
01:03:52,741 --> 01:03:54,482
[Los Straightjackets play
“Calhoun Surf ”]

1442
01:03:55,353 --> 01:03:57,790
Los Straightjackets have
recorded over thirteen

1443
01:03:57,921 --> 01:03:59,923
albums to date and have appeared
several

1444
01:04:00,053 --> 01:04:01,968
times on the Conan O'Brien show.

1445
01:04:02,099 --> 01:04:04,362
Not surprisingly, they're hugely
popular

1446
01:04:04,492 --> 01:04:05,537
in Mexico.

1447
01:04:05,798 --> 01:04:08,235
The first time Los Straitjackets
went to Mexico

1448
01:04:08,366 --> 01:04:10,411
We weren't sure how they were
going to receive us.

1449
01:04:10,542 --> 01:04:11,848
If they would have thought that
we were

1450
01:04:11,978 --> 01:04:13,632
making fun of them or something,
which we

1451
01:04:13,762 --> 01:04:15,547
weren't, we were inspired by
their culture.

1452
01:04:15,677 --> 01:04:18,550
There were two shows, one in
Mexico City and

1453
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:20,508
one in Guadalajara and they were
both sold out.

1454
01:04:20,639 --> 01:04:21,683
It was a shock.

1455
01:04:21,945 --> 01:04:23,729
We had no idea we were that
popular there.

1456
01:04:33,086 --> 01:04:35,480
Dick Dale started to tour,
headlined in

1457
01:04:35,610 --> 01:04:37,874
Vegas and made records again.

1458
01:04:46,143 --> 01:04:49,015
And every so often I'd hear
about surf bands

1459
01:04:49,146 --> 01:04:51,452
popping up in some of the most
surprising

1460
01:04:51,583 --> 01:04:55,108
places like Japan, Finland,
Croatia. Countries

1461
01:04:55,239 --> 01:04:57,545
you'd never expect to hear surf
music from.

1462
01:05:14,519 --> 01:05:15,868
The appeal of the music was

1463
01:05:15,999 --> 01:05:17,130
cross cultural.

1464
01:05:17,957 --> 01:05:20,133
And even more diverse than
before.

1465
01:05:21,830 --> 01:05:23,832
Surf music had experienced a
full-fledged

1466
01:05:23,963 --> 01:05:24,529
revival.

1467
01:05:24,659 --> 01:05:26,487
It became obvious to me

1468
01:05:26,618 --> 01:05:29,447
that surf music was very much
alive with a universal

1469
01:05:29,577 --> 01:05:32,667
appeal that I hadn't imagined a
few years earlier.

1470
01:05:32,798 --> 01:05:34,495
Surf music is my life.

1471
01:05:35,540 --> 01:05:36,541
Unfortunately.

1472
01:05:36,671 --> 01:05:38,935
Surf music for me, it's a
religious

1473
01:05:39,065 --> 01:05:42,808
life form, it just gets in your
heart it gets in your soul, it
gets in your spirit.

1474
01:05:42,982 --> 01:05:44,027
For me, it's my childhood.

1475
01:05:44,244 --> 01:05:45,289
Takes me back.

1476
01:05:45,419 --> 01:05:46,986
It’s all in the melody and the
beat.

1477
01:05:49,815 --> 01:05:52,122
It's still all about escapism.

1478
01:05:52,252 --> 01:05:55,516
Enjoying the moment, dancing,
having fun.

1479
01:05:59,216 --> 01:06:01,348
[soulful music plays]

1480
01:06:09,966 --> 01:06:13,056
Even though we're slowly
losing the

1481
01:06:13,186 --> 01:06:15,797
pioneers and the people who
first played

1482
01:06:15,928 --> 01:06:20,454
around with it, it's bigger than
it's ever been, by far!

1483
01:06:20,889 --> 01:06:23,109
The spirit of surf music fans

1484
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:25,938
has not been dampened by the
test of time.

1485
01:06:26,069 --> 01:06:27,809
That spirit still represents

1486
01:06:27,940 --> 01:06:30,116
all of the things that made the
sound of surf

1487
01:06:30,247 --> 01:06:32,249
popular in the days before
The Beatles
.

1488
01:06:32,379 --> 01:06:34,773
It's commonly assumed that when

1489
01:06:34,903 --> 01:06:37,732
Jimi said: “You'll never hear

1490
01:06:37,863 --> 01:06:41,345
surf music ever again, ” that he
was saying: “We're

1491
01:06:41,475 --> 01:06:44,826
here now and screw you, ” but he
apparently

1492
01:06:44,957 --> 01:06:48,091
was a really big fan of Dick
Dale and the

1493
01:06:48,221 --> 01:06:50,006
real reason he said it was
there'd been a

1494
01:06:50,136 --> 01:06:52,399
false news report at the time
that Dick Dale

1495
01:06:52,530 --> 01:06:54,053
was ill and dying.

1496
01:06:54,271 --> 01:06:55,794
I had collapsed.

1497
01:06:55,924 --> 01:07:00,146
And then I was at the hospital.

1498
01:07:00,277 --> 01:07:02,801
Jimi was recording at the time.

1499
01:07:02,931 --> 01:07:05,369
“Hey, I heard Dale did a
no-show. ”

1500
01:07:06,892 --> 01:07:08,372
And his guitar player said:

1501
01:07:09,242 --> 01:07:09,982
“No man.

1502
01:07:10,113 --> 01:07:11,766
He's dying. ”

1503
01:07:14,595 --> 01:07:18,817
And then Jimi said: “Man, you'll
never hear

1504
01:07:18,947 --> 01:07:21,211
surf music again. ”

1505
01:07:21,341 --> 01:07:24,823
But he knew what a fighter I was
and he said...

1506
01:07:25,519 --> 01:07:28,696
“That sounds like a lie
to me. ”

1507
01:07:30,568 --> 01:07:32,091
I have that on tape.

1508
01:07:32,874 --> 01:07:33,919
Somewhere.

1509
01:07:35,703 --> 01:07:38,576
The King of Surf Guitar has
passed away.

1510
01:07:38,706 --> 01:07:41,883
Dick Dale, led the way for
generations.

1511
01:07:44,886 --> 01:07:45,800
Dale performed

1512
01:07:45,931 --> 01:07:48,020
at blazing speed until the end.

1513
01:07:48,151 --> 01:07:50,718
Dick Dale was 81 years old.

1514
01:07:54,505 --> 01:07:56,637
You'll never hear surf music
again.

1515
01:07:59,771 --> 01:08:01,512
That's a big lie.

1516
01:08:02,426 --> 01:08:04,167
[crowd cheers]

1517
01:08:09,563 --> 01:08:11,304
[music plays]

1518
01:10:01,284 --> 01:10:02,198
Duh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh

1519
01:10:02,328 --> 01:10:05,288
Da-nuh-da-nuh-da-nuh

1520
01:10:05,505 --> 01:10:06,202
That's about it.